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Post by Temüjin on Jan 15, 2012 2:45:26 GMT 3
Djigitovka, "heroic feats", basically martial horse tricks, goes back at least to the qualifications of being a member of the Mongol Guard units. nice video i've discovered: www.youtube.com/watch?v=knRpvurKuqU |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 18, 2012 11:29:27 GMT 3
Yup, that's a very Steppe thing. Btw the word comes from the Qypchaq-Tatar version of the Common Middle Turkic word Yigit, Jigit.
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 18, 2012 20:26:11 GMT 3
yeah i know. what's the correct pronunciation though? Y and J aren't the same sound, at least not in english...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 19, 2012 11:31:04 GMT 3
True. Common Turkic Y has usually become J (as in English June) in most of the Qypchaq dialects/languages, but not in all, and some words have preserved it. Kazakh went even more far, turning the Qypchaq J's into Zh's (as in English Asia; though currently they are writing that sound with J in the Latin alphabet, just like how we do in Turkish now). The same happened in Tuvan too. Interestingly enough, the same case also is visible in loanwords between Turkic and Mongolian (for example, Turkic Yarġučï became Jarġuči in Mongolian while Mongolian Jasaq/Jasaġ became Yasaq/Yasaġ in Turkic - Pre-Classical and Classical Mongolian J has now become Z in Khalkha Mongolian).
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 19, 2012 22:43:03 GMT 3
mmh interesting
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Post by Ardavarz on Jan 20, 2012 0:30:31 GMT 3
In Proto-Bulgarian material is found the word čigat (with Greek letters: tzigatos) thought to mean "sword-bearer", but it is possible also that it may be another form of the word "jigit".
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Post by sarmat on Jan 20, 2012 1:07:59 GMT 3
Although, the work Dzhigit is Turkic, interestingly, "Dzhigitovka" traces itself to Caucasus. Somehow, the Turkic origins of the art were forgorten and it was perceived in the 19th century Russia, rather as a Circassian thing.
Though, on the other hand its natural, cause Circassians have a very well evolved horse culture which they inherited from Alans and through their were long interactions with Turks.
Word "Dzhigit" is present in most if not in all North Caucasian languages. Hence, the origin of Dzhigitovka i.e. the art of Dzhigits...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 20, 2012 11:12:33 GMT 3
There is also such a perception in Turkey, as those horsemen that make the Djigitovka are known as Caucasian Riders even though they are actually Cossacks. Now I understand why, after Sarmat's explanation.
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