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Post by benzin on Jun 11, 2011 7:37:58 GMT 3
I think its more or less revised for nowadays. This theory was based on that it was thaught the name of yas is self name of tha ossetians, now its widely taken the yas were of alanian origin. Maybe the wiki article hasnt been updated for now as in some other cases Im more or less sure in the As is equals to Balkar and with Bulgar too.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 11, 2011 7:54:44 GMT 3
Do you know anything about this book, how reliable it is? I've heard about it and am interested in it. books.google.com/books?id=rAUUAQAAMAAJ"Pechenegs, Cumans, Iasians: Steppe peoples in medieval Hungary"
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Post by benzin on Jun 11, 2011 13:58:37 GMT 3
He is a not widely known but very well reputed archeoligist. It used to make reconstruction works of medieval houses based on his works. I havent read his book myself, but I think I will if I have the time too.
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Post by benzin on Jun 11, 2011 14:15:53 GMT 3
About the hungarian jaszes : for today they are mixed up completely with the magyar population, but their settlements names tell us much about them, its easy to recognize wich is a jaszic town, because it all begins with the word jasz. Some town names : Jász(Alán) Jász(KaraJenõ) Jenõ stands for turkic tribe Jenej (also one of the hungarian tribes to arrive in 895) Jász(Kisér) Jász(Berény) Jász(Ladány) this last 2 said to be of sarmatian origin. Jász(Ivány)
The words list wich left back of the jaszes language is clearly of persian origin, many other source says they were of turkic origin. I wouldnt be surprised if its the same as many other steppe tribes and they are a mixed up population of both elements.
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Post by Ardavarz on Jun 11, 2011 23:10:34 GMT 3
Yes, that's most probably the case. I've read somewhere that Balkars were called taulï as ("mountain As") in order to differentiate them from alan as or "Steppe As", i.e. Alans, being more or less the same people. Obviously Turkic and Iranian languages amongst Steppe peoples have been intermingled long ago. What is interesting is that one of the many theories about the name "Bulgar" states that it was a nickname given to those tribes famous for their export of sable called in Mongolian " bulgha". But according to Mahmud Qashghari the Turkic word for sable was as. Is this a mere coincidence? (I think I've written something about that already in some another topic, but I don't remember where... )
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Post by benzin on Jun 12, 2011 2:09:36 GMT 3
I wish some times that Djagfar Tarihi to be a reliable source. It would answer all questions about both bulgar and hungarian prehistory, including alans, avars, huns, pechenegs etc.
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