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Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 15, 2011 19:08:05 GMT 3
I make a Family Tree for the Kyrgyzes I hope you all like it. I must make it for MTW2 games Mod. But i used by too that the family tree not True is   About Khan Manas and Khan Kökötöy and Khan Kökötöy's son Bög Mürün: What think my Ural-Altaic origin Brothers which name is best to use: one. Khan ( Leader, King ) one. Tegin, Tigin ( Crown Prince ) and maybe one our 2 son's by in list and a daughter ? I want add as daughters name: Kanikey-Beki - Beki mean Princess Male names: Kökötöy ? Bög-Mürün ? Semetei ? Seiteq ? Barsbeg ? Kançora ? Tardush ? Urus ? Inal ? Saryhan ? Kolçora ? Almam-Bet ? Cakyp ? Abeke ? Temir ? Kökçü ? Syrgak ? Serek ? Akyar ? Kosay ? Batyr ? Sungur ? Sengum ? Kökçe ? Köcü ? Alp ? Akpalta ? BaiBatyr ? Aidar ? Ulan ? Urmat ? Sýymýk ? Bekten ? Bektur ? Arman ? Maksat ? Kabylan ? BörBatyr ? Female names: for daughters, wifes.. Kanikey ? Ayçolpan ? Ayperi ? Ayçora ? Akçora ? Telegey ? Tolgonay ? Temulun ? Begimay ? Meerim ? Ayganýþ ? Bahar ? Cazgül ? Gülkayir ? Aruuke ? Altinay ? Çaçikey ? Ayçöreq ? Bakdevlet ? Çiirçi ? Bars-Beki ? Çiirçi Khatun ? Akilay ? Regards, Boztorgai Khan |
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 15, 2011 20:10:22 GMT 3
My understanding is that Kyrgyz, and Uyghur were all Dingling/Tiele.
Names for Yenisei Kyrgyz: Gekun (鬲昆), Jiankun (坚昆), Jiegu (结骨), Qigu (契骨), Hegu (纥骨), Hugu (护骨), Hejiesi (纥扢斯), Xiajiasi (黠戛斯)
The Soviets are supposed to have created the name Khakass from Xiajiasi to refer to all the groups of Abakan Tadars.
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Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 16, 2011 0:31:51 GMT 3
My understanding is that Kyrgyz, and Uyghur were all Dingling/Tiele. Names for Yenisei Kyrgyz: Gekun (鬲昆), Jiankun (坚昆), Jiegu (结骨), Qigu (契骨), Hegu (纥骨), Hugu (护骨), Hejiesi (纥扢斯), Xiajiasi (黠戛斯) The Soviets are supposed to have created the name Khakass from Xiajiasi to refer to all the groups of Abakan Tadars. That is not a strong theory but I know this 8th C. the rulers of the Kyrgyzes were from Tiele tribe, maybe till 12th C. ? Abakan Tatars mean you with Tadars right ?? |
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Post by kokotoy on Apr 16, 2011 13:52:25 GMT 3
Boztorgai i open the account i open your question 2 and Hi to all Forum rulers and members now here is my idea for mtw2 games mod you wanted a fantasy kirghizes family tree list because the true rulers and family tree is not to finded. Kirghiz banner coa symbol  Khanate of the Kirghiz in 1040 AD faction leader Khan Kokotoy his wife Akçora faction heir and son of Kokotoy Khan is Bör-Batir second son Mok Murun youngest son Kolçora princess daughter of Khan Kokotoy is Kanikey-beqi and faction heir's family Khan BörBatir's wife Aruuke sons Temir, Barsbeg & Köcü and daughter Bars-beqi maybe is this nice list nephew ? |
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Post by kokotoy on Apr 16, 2011 13:55:24 GMT 3
and here is the map preview of the mod for game mtw2  i add you tomorrow kirghizes unit list name 2 |
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Post by boztorgaikhan on Apr 16, 2011 14:24:07 GMT 3
Boztorgai i open the account i open your question 2 and Hi to all Forum rulers and members now here is my idea for mtw2 games mod you wanted a fantasy kirghizes family tree list because the true rulers and family tree is not to finded. Kirghiz banner coa symbol Khanate of the Kirghiz in 1040 AD faction leader Khan Kokotoy his wife Akçora faction heir and son of Kokotoy Khan is Bör-Batir second son Mok Murun youngest son Kolçora princess daughter of Khan Kokotoy is Kanikey-beqi and faction heir's family Khan BörBatir's wife Aruuke sons Temir, Barsbeg & Köcü and daughter Bars-beqi maybe is this nice list nephew ? Nice List cousin I Like it btw: i think kyrgyzes is so good Kirghiz banner coa symbol Khanate of the Kirghiz in 1040 AD faction leader Khan Kokotoy his wife Akçora faction heir and son of Kokotoy Khan is Bör-Batir second son Mok Murun youngest son Kolçora princess daughter of Khan Kokotoy is Kanikey-beqi and faction heir's family Khan BörBatir's wife Aruuke sons Temir, Barsbeg & Köcü and daughter Bars-beqi Nice untrue family tree |
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Post by Roko on Jan 26, 2014 18:09:49 GMT 3
I found this in Djagfar Tarihi about the Kyrgyzes : Once in the Turkestan (Kazakhstan) a tribe of the southern Sakas, Massagets (Masguts) suddenly attacked the central Sakas, the Sarmatians (Chirmyshes). All Chirmyshes were annihilated, but the leader of the Sarmatians Tamyr-bika has had time before her death to hide the baby, her son, in hollow of a tree. The boy was found and brought up by the Türks. They called him Kypchak “From the tree hollow“. Kypchak took 40 Türkic maids as his wives, and his children from them have established 40 clans of the Türkic-lingual Sakas. They began to be called “Kyrgyzes“ (i.e.“forty girls“ -in memory of the Kypchak's forty wives) or “Kypchaks“...-Lol,just cause of some corrupt linguists naming the entire group Turkic does not mean Your country/people have anything to do with the name of the group,people,other than Turkish who speak Turkic languages,and indeed,the linguists naming and having an impact on languages worldwide are ones of the Illuminati and are clueless,corrupt,etc.Son,Your country,the Turkey has nothing to do with the name of Turkic,referring to the language group and Your country certainly is the youngest European country,and boy,you resemble Europeans.Do you even know where Turkish originate from?Wish I could speculate more,but I dont do with ignorant and uneducated ones.And lastly,neither of languages You mentioned are even nearly as young as your is.Hah,corrupt,clueless linguists and their Illumi corp! |
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Post by snafu on Jan 31, 2014 21:58:03 GMT 3
If we're talking about the Khanate of the Yenisei Kirghiz (which the map would indicate), their leader at that time went by the title of Inal. Their capital was a place called Kemkemjek on the Khem river near the Tanu-ola mountains. Many of them were nomads and forest-dwelling hunters, but others were sedentary and grew crops like millet, rye, and corn. They were also known for their ironwork and weapons-making. Sable and other furs were also a big export. They had trade relations with neighbors like the Uighurs, the Karluks, and Muslim merchants of the middle east.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 1, 2014 21:54:26 GMT 3
Yes, that is how both the Chinese source Xin Tangshu and Islamic geography books of the time describe the Yenisei Kyrgyz.
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Post by Habul on Feb 23, 2014 3:51:44 GMT 3
My familien name is Habul
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Post by Kyrgyz on Sept 15, 2015 6:22:36 GMT 3
Thanks guys, very interesting
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Post by yeniseibatyr on Feb 9, 2023 23:37:04 GMT 3
Khanate of the Kyrgyz in 10th and 11th centuries what was the names of the leaders ? and what was the unit list ?? I hope that one know this and can help me with here... Kirgizlarin 10cu ve 11ci asirda hanlarin isimleri neydi ? ve askeri birim isimleri neydi  bilenler yardimci olursa sevinirim. I as a Kyrgyz person think I can trace the leaders and their ruling periods like this: - Abakhan (Abakhan is a legendary Khan in Turkic mythology. He is also known as Aba Khan, Abakan or Abahan, and is considered to be the ancestor of the Khakass and Abakan peoples. Myths about Abakhan say that he was a Khakassian warrior whose name means "Bear’s Blood". He jumped into the Abakan river, and thus gave the river and the city of Abakan their names. Please if possible provide any other information on this Khan.) 693 -710/711 - Bars Bek/Inanch Alp Bilge Khagan (He married the daughter of Ilteres-kagan, the younger sister of Kul-tegin and Mogilyan. He took the name Inanch Alp Bilge. He led an active foreign policy - he entered into a coalition with the Tabgachs and Turgeshs, directed against the Second Turkic Khaganate. This caused the Gokturks to define him as their worst enemy and the Gokturks went on a campaign in the winter of 710/711. to the Kyrgyz. A military expedition led by Tonyukuk, Kul-tegin and Mogilyan crossed the Western Sayan Mountains in difficult winter conditions and secretly entered the valley of the Ana River. Having twice defeated the Kyrgyz, the Turks killed Bars bek Khagan in the valley of the Son River. 758 - 795 - Bilge Tong Erkin Khagan (In 758, the Uyghur khanate attacked the Kyrgyz because the Kyrgyz were under the Second Turkic Khaganate, the enemies of the Uighurs, so the Uighurs conquered the Kyrgyz along with the Gokturks, the Kyrgyz state became a vassal of the Uyghur khanate, the Kyrgyz khagan was given the title Bilge Tong Erkin from the Uighurs.) 795/820 - 840 - Ajo/Azho Khagan (Ajo/Azho declared himself Khagan in 820 and started fighting against the Uighur Khaganate. In response, the Uighurs sent troops to the Yenisei to completely subjugate the Yenisei Kyrgyz, but they were defeated by the Yenisei Kyrgyz. For 20 years, the parties regularly conducted military operations on the territory of modern Tuva. The war with the Uighurs was continued by his successor Alp Solagai, the powerful second Khagan of the Kyrgyz kaganate. As a result, in 840 the capital of the Uyghurs Orda-balyk was burned, and the Uyghur troops were defeated by the Kyrgyz army of Solagay.) 840 - 847 - Alp Solagai Tepek Khagan (Alp Solagai was the successor of the first Kyrgyz Khagan Azho. He defeated the Uighur Khaganate and made a trip to its capital, the city of Ordobalyk. In 843, pursuing the elder of the Uighurs Pan Tegin, he captured the cities of Ansi and Bishbalyk, and also subjugated the tribes of East Turkestan, then conquered Western Manchuria, the territories of Dzungaria and Transbaikalia. He established friendly relations with the Chinese Tang Empire, the Arab Caliphate, the Karluk Khanate and Tibet, and also successfully traded with these countries. His reign most likely lasted only 7 years.) 847 - 847 - Ar/Are Tsung-ying Hyun-Wu Chen-ming-Khan (Ar/Are completely defeated the remnants of the Uighurs. Established friendly relations with the Tang Empire, the Karluk Khaganate and Tibet. The real name of this Khagan is unknown, Zuning Hyunwu Chenming khan is the title of khagan given by the Tang Emperor Wu Zong. Marble tablets with Chinese characters testifying to this were found in Khakassia. He is the successor of Alp Solagai and the predecessor of the fourth Kyrgyz Khagan, Yingwu Chenmin Khan. His reign was short-lived and I don't know why.) 847 - 866 - Yingwu Chenming Khagan (After the death of the kagan Zuning Hyunwu Chenming Khan, the Chinese emperor Xuanzong sent an envoy with a letter, which gave the new Khagan the title of Yingwu Chenming-Khan. Marble tablets with Chinese characters testifying to this were found in Khakassia. The real name of this Khagan is unknown. In 847, the Kyrgyz made a campaign against the Amur against the Uighurs and the Shivei tribe, and the Chinese against the Khi tribe, after which this part of the Uighurs also fled to East Turkestan. However, during the reign of Yingwu Chenming-Khan, the Kyrgyz did not manage to complete the conquest of the Uighur Khaganate. Its ambassadors visited the court of the Chinese emperor three times.) This is where I think the actual Epic of Manas takes effect in. Since after the death of Yingwu Cheming Khagan, the Oirats, Khitans and other Mongolic Groups were attacking the crumbling Yenisei Kyrgyz Khaganate. Late 9th Century - 10th Century - Manas (Manas is elected leader and takes the decision to migrate his people back to the ancestral homelands in the Tian-Shan Mountains (Modern Day Kyrgyzstan, this is where he comes in conflict with Transoxiania and other empires. He manages to defeat them and enter in an alliance with them and he also took a Transoxianian woman called Kanykei as his spouse. They had a child named Semetei) The rest can be heard from the later sections of the Epic of Manas, the part of Semetei and the part of Seitek. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 10, 2023 1:50:05 GMT 3
Hello yeniseibatyr, welcome aboard |
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