Old name for town in turkic

[abdulhay]

I came to cross the old turkic word for town which is baliq comes from mud balchiq, but my question is , how do u prenounce it.

[dilisang]

As it is an Old Turkic word, it might be similar to other old languages. Latin for example is pronounced differently by English, French or German Latin speakers.

I would say as it is an old Uyghur name and Uyghur sounds pretty much like Uzbek and in Uzbek you pronounce balchiq like "bal" in ballistic with a short but clear A like Arsenal and "chick" like the chicken, it would sound baliq with an short open A.

All on the assumption, that the A is not subject to dialectical change or change over the times. In Uzbek, only O changes a lot. E,g, Toshkent/Tashkent and ko'z (eye) has long and short o, u, and ü. So, half a dozen ways to pronounce it.

[hjernespiser]

Search for "bal" on starling.rinet.ru. Nothing like balchiq.

Proto-Turkic: *bialɨk
Altaic etymology:
Meaning: city, fortress
Russian meaning: город, крепость
Old Turkic: balɨq (Orkh., OUygh.)
Karakhanid: balɨq (MK)
Middle Turkic: balɨq (Pav. C.)
Sary-Yughur: balɨq, paluq
Halaj: baluq 'деревня'
Chuvash: püler
Comments: TMN 2, 257, EDT 335-336, ЭСТЯ 2, 59, ОСНЯ 3, 91, Лексика 485, Мудрак Дисс. 194.

[hjernespiser]

Here's from a search for "mud" as meaning. Looks doubtful that baliq comes from balchiq.

Proto-Turkic: *bạl-
Altaic etymology:
Meaning: mud, clay
Russian meaning: грязь, глина
Karakhanid: balčɨq (MK,IM), bal(ɨ)q (MK)
Turkish: balčɨk
Tatar: balčɨq
Middle Turkic: balčɨq (Pav. C.), palčɨq (Sangl.)
Uzbek: balčiq
Uighur: balčuq
Azerbaidzhan: palčɨG
Turkmen: palčɨq
Khakassian: palčax (Sag.)
Oyrat: bal-qaš
Halaj: palčoq ( < Az.)
Chuvash: pɨlǯъk
Yakut: bɨlɨ̄k 'sand, silt, brought by water' (Пек.)
Tuva: balɣaš, malɣaš
Tofalar: ba'lxaš
Kazakh: balšɨq, balqaš
Noghai: balšɨq
Bashkir: balsɨq
Karaim: balčɨq
Salar: palčɨx (ССЯ 435 и др.)
Kumyk: balčɨq
Comments: EDT 333, 336, VEWT 60, Мудрак Дисс. 179, Лексика 374. Turk. > Mong. balčig (Щербак 1997, 103). In Chuv. one would rather expect pɨśǝx, so the form may reflect a slightly different morphologically *bạlɨ-čak.

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Actually the Old Turkic word Balïq (Balık) used for towns does drive from the word Balčïq because they were made from mud bricks

[snafu]

Is the Mongol word balghasun derived from Baliq?

[hjernespiser]

Ihsan, sounds like it could be, but the Proto-Turkic forms and the Altaic etymologies are different. The Chuvash püler causes the diphthong in bialyq I guess.

[abdulhay]

thanks for the info guys, but I am little bit confused, the word for fish spells the same balik, or how does it spell, I know fish balik is long a, so its fonotic spelling would be baalik in comparsion to baliq also q is a g from the throat or Im wrong

[dilisang]

Again, I can only tell how it is spelled in Uzbek. Baliq (= fish) is short A and Q like K.

(Otherwise, a word like "baalikh" would be written like " ba'liq' ". Both A and Q with following accent '.
Uzbek uses only ASCIII characters like plain English and this accent character.)

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Is the Mongol word balghasun derived from Baliq?

I think Balghasun is also a Turkic word and it seems to be related with Balïq, but I am not sure.

Ihsan, sounds like it could be, but the Proto-Turkic forms and the Altaic etymologies are different. The Chuvash püler causes the diphthong in bialyq I guess.

Yes, but the oldest forms do not have the -ia- diphtong, right? And the thickening-thinning of entire words in different Turkic dialects is a well-known case.

thanks for the info guys, but I am little bit confused, the word for fish spells the same balik, or how does it spell, I know fish balik is long a, so its fonotic spelling would be baalik in comparsion to baliq also q is a g from the throat or Im wrong

Balïq meaning both fish and city in Old Turkic are with short vowels, both are pronounced the same way. Maybe in Turkmen it became long later.