Anti-Turkic statements in academic circles?

[abdulhay]

I wonder if there were any anti turkic statments regarding the asian huns and there forefathers, just look at wikipedia,

I looked up modu chanyu, and it says that he is yeniseian, or it more correctily says that these linguists Lajos Ligeti, Edwin G. Pulleyblank and Alexander Vovin are saying that according to the article in wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modu_Chanyu that they believe in and have proof that the asian huns language wasnt turkic but rather siberian or yeniesian.

I mean there are overwhelming evidence both dna and by the chinese annals, also gökturk inscription that they belong to turks and were turkic and not yeniseian,

do these and others intellectuals hate anti turkic opionions, do they have turkic people if not why would they try to show something thats is very clear.

There are other as well, stating that the asian huns were indo-european, why is this , havent they read or are they stupid or just anti turkic,

please enlighten me, how can educated people miss such a clear thing as this



Iranic theory
Main article: Iranian languages
Among scholars who proposed an Iranic origin for the Xiongnu are H.W. Bailey (1985)[27] and János Harmatta (1999), who believe that the Xiongnu confederation consisted of 24 tribes, controlling a nomadic empire with a strong military organization, and that "their loyal tibes and kings (shan-yü) bore Iranian names and all the Hsiung-nu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from an Iranian language of the Saka type. . . . It is therefore clear that the majority of Hsiung-nu tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language".[28] Jankowski concurs.[29]



source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu

[abdulhay]

I posted it in 2nd centry bc becasue its about the asian huns and their leader modu shanyu

[hjernespiser]

Wikipedia is NOT "academic circles".

[hjernespiser]

Vovin supports earlier assertions that at least one of the Xiongnu tribes, the Jie, spoke a Yeniseian language. Someone writing on the Modu Shanyu article in Wikipedia does NOT mean that Vovin thinks Modu Shanyu was Yeniseian.

Moreover, given the pattern in various other steppe confederations, there is no reason to assume that the Xiongnu confederation was not composed of various different ethnicities.

[Subu'atai]

Academic circles? Uhuh. It's wikipedia. It's actually a place where I can collect racist stuff from foreigners to add to my book (I NEED MORE QUOTES from historical Europeans).

There was one shockingly racist anti-Turk quote mentioned in Wikipedia I read in the past which has since been removed. Now I can't recall exact words but it was a European speaking against Turks and mentioned something like Turks being barbaric and can't inspire to be Caucasian or something. I was actually quite shocked.

I actually wished to used this to degrade Western racialcism and colonial mentality even more and make them more of an embarrassment but darn it! Now I can't remember that quote NOR the author. Too much work in RL and booze I tend to forget stuff! So too late for its addition to my future book it seems. ARGH! >.<!

Have to learn to take notes despite the booze level! Oh well there'll be a similar quote brought up eventually I hope =)

[abdulhay]

I thought until I say them that wikipedia was a source that was correct, not full with biased and anti turkic statments,

Also I read a article about anti turkish in wikipedia, it said that even shakespare hated turks, I thought shakespare was a philantrop and liked all human beings despite thier religion or ethnicity which he showed in the merchant of venice, why would he like jews and hate turks, do wikipedia make up facts.

the thing he was famous was for his human rights and non rascial statments in medieval time , I always thought that was why shakespare was famous for,

anyway,

about the dude that wrote that the asian huns were indo-european, did he smoke crack before he wrote that, or what?

do u guys know anything about him, I like to know who he is,

[abdulhay]

There was one shockingly racist anti-Turk quote mentioned in Wikipedia I read in the past which has since been removed. Now I can't recall exact words but it was a European speaking against Turks and mentioned something like Turks being barbaric and can't inspire to be Caucasian or something. I was actually quite shocked.

Yeah u see them everywere, also there was a vote in a swedish channel if they wanted turkey to enter, more than 60 procent was against according to the poll,

they have brainwashed people since medieval times that turks are barbarians,

Also I have to confess, I was little bit angry or thought of mongols as barbarians, but guys like u subuatai changed my mind, I have read many of your posts and u seem like a reasonable man, I like your thoughts,

I cant be angry at the mongols something that happend ages ago, I mean the destruction of khwarazmian turkmen kingdom by the mongols, even if djingiz Khan intented to kill everyone in khwarazm, I dont longer feel any anger,

enough said

[Subu'atai]

Even ancient Celts were called barbarians, it just helps justify the killings and cultural genocide. Same with Christian VS Muslim, or Caucasoid vs Mongoloid/Negroid. I guess this has resulted in me taking pride in being barbarian and have it as a badge of pride against the civilised lol!

As for Khwarezmians, that war was a result of a very very stupid man who executed Mongol emissaries who only desired trade. Where was that exact quote, errgh can't find it. Somewhere on this forum. But yes, you are correct. History IS History.

Heh we are all human mate =) BTW my views are heavily influenced from my family after reconciling with them, other Mongols, and even my wife who is non-Mongol but has the similar heart; cherish humanity. I guess... I'm being more and more influenced by my wife especially.

Also ne ways on topic if you think wikipedia is bad, try youtube!!! Though err, I found this rather interesting video in the past: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uMpRDjoNdk
A Turkish friend of mine told me "He was prolly p-ed off at all the anti-Turk comments" lol. Massive E-war there at the moment.

I actually had a chat with wifey's friends from Europe and we had a few discussions in regards to anti-Turkism and why this is so. Many points have already been made here on this forum but one which does have a lasting issue is the "Armenian Genocide". But I don't know much about this really. Anti-Turkism is a problem with obviously very biased foreigners and heck even I went I try to learn about Turks I find racists instead lol!

[hjernespiser]

Uh, I know this may seem off topic, but does anyone have any citations for the etymology of the name Modu/Maotun?

[Atabeg]

Jun 15, 2010 7:56:12 GMT 3 hjernespiser said:

Uh, I know this may seem off topic, but does anyone have any citations for the etymology of the name Modu/Maotun?

Dunno in turkish it's Mete

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Jun 15, 2010 7:56:12 GMT 3 hjernespiser said:

Uh, I know this may seem off topic, but does anyone have any citations for the etymology of the name Modu/Maotun?

E. H. Parker explained Mo-du 冒頓 as Baghdur meaning "Brave" (Parker, E. H., A Thousand Years of the Tartars, London, 1924, pp.7). Franz Altheim, on the other hand, explained it as Bäg-tun meaning "Noble-lined" in Old Turkic and linked it with Vikhtun / Biktun seen in the "List of Bulgarian Rulers" (Altheim, F., Geschichte der Hunnen, 5 Volumes, Berlin, Vol.I, 1959, pp.20-24; for the Bulgarian kings list, see V. Beshevliev, Die protobulgarischen Inschriften, Berlin, 1963, pp.322).

[hjernespiser]

Thanks.

These etymological dictionaries mentioned in the Starostin database also apparently say the same thing: starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\alt\turcet&first=1&text_proto=&method_proto=substring&ic_proto=on&text_meaning=&method_meaning=substring&ic_meaning=on&text_rusmean=&method_rusmean=substring&ic_rusmean=on&text_atu=&method_atu=substring&ic_atu=on&text_krh=&method_krh=substring&ic_krh=on&text_trk=&method_trk=substring&ic_trk=on&text_tat=&method_tat=substring&ic_tat=on&text_chg=&method_chg=substring&ic_chg=on&text_uzb=&method_uzb=substring&ic_uzb=on&text_uig=&method_uig=substring&ic_uig=on&text_sjg=&method_sjg=substring&ic_sjg=on&text_azb=&method_azb=substring&ic_azb=on&text_trm=&method_trm=substring&ic_trm=on&text_hak=&method_hak=substring&ic_hak=on&text_shr=&method_shr=substring&ic_shr=on&text_alt=&method_alt=substring&ic_alt=on&text_khal=&method_khal=substring&ic_khal=on&text_chv=&method_chv=substring&ic_chv=on&text_jak=&method_jak=substring&ic_jak=on&text_dolg=&method_dolg=substring&ic_dolg=on&text_tuv=&method_tuv=substring&ic_tuv=on&text_tof=&method_tof=substring&ic_tof=on&text_krg=&method_krg=substring&ic_krg=on&text_kaz=&method_kaz=substring&ic_kaz=on&text_nogx=&method_nogx=substring&ic_nogx=on&text_bas=&method_bas=substring&ic_bas=on&text_blkx=&method_blkx=substring&ic_blkx=on&text_gagx=&method_gagx=substring&ic_gagx=on&text_krmx=&method_krmx=substring&ic_krmx=on&text_klpx=&method_klpx=substring&ic_klpx=on&text_sal=&method_sal=substring&ic_sal=on&text_qum=&method_qum=substring&ic_qum=on&text_reference=&method_reference=substring&ic_reference=on&text_any=bagatur&method_any=substring&sort=proto&ic_any=on

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

Thanx. Btw recently I recquired that dictionary, looks pretty good