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Post by abdulhay on May 4, 2010 1:41:52 GMT 3
I wonder who was first to use dubble headed eagle as a standard, was it byzantines or great seljuks
later people who uses is albainians russians and more people
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 4, 2010 23:40:21 GMT 3
The first I could see was the Hittites. In Cappadocia, in a local museum there is a rock relief from the Hittites which has a very big double-headed eagle on it. However, there is a very big time gap between that and the first appearence of that symbol in medieval Middle East. The first example of it's useage in medieval Middle East I saw up to now was on a 10th century Buyid (Buwayhid) rug from eastern Iran.
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Post by abdulhay on Jun 2, 2010 1:57:30 GMT 3
So what are u saying,
did the great seljuks use it before the byzantines,?
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Post by abdulhay on Jun 2, 2010 22:39:30 GMT 3
might qaghan, can u please tell us
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 3, 2010 14:06:48 GMT 3
I don't know, maybe.
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Post by Bor Chono on Jun 3, 2010 16:48:36 GMT 3
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 3, 2010 17:50:03 GMT 3
So now we have ancient uses of the Khas or (Tumen Nasan khee) as a unity symbol on the steppes to views in regards to Buddhist uses and NOW Nestorian Christians even?! xD
This needs to be debated more. Darn I wish we have a "swastika" expect here on this forum. Someone invite a German! LOL I'm just kidding dont mind me xD
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Post by Temüjin on Jun 4, 2010 19:49:50 GMT 3
funny enough, double-headed eagle, cross and swastika were all symbols of Germans too at some point...
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 8, 2010 7:20:51 GMT 3
I don't know about those bronze swastikas being Nestorian. Most Nestorian artifact images I've seen show a simple cross, not a swastika. Here's a Nestorian headstone for example: So I'm digging around for some more information on these bronze swastikas. I downloaded the little Word document on that swastika website for more information, but it is in German. So next I googled for "nestorian swastika" and came across this: www.socdigest.org/articles/03oct05.html This guy also thinks that these swastikas are mis-identified as Nestorian. They're probably just the khas for good luck and not a reference to Christianity.
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