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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 15, 2007 18:27:00 GMT 3
do you know by chance what the "S" horsebranding means? It's definitely a " tañba" ( tamga), a symbol of a tribe/clan, whose livestock are marked by this symbol. The tañba also appears on various belongings, as well as on the graves of deceased members of the tribe. Right now, I cannot tell which clan does it long to because I don't have the charts of Qazaq tañbas right now. I'm in the process of recovering some of my files I lost on my external hard drive. There was a significant number of Qazaq aristocracy who were rather collaborative with the colonizers, and they joined Bashqort units during the Russian "Patriotic" war. In early 19th century there were a series of Russian fort lines in the northern part of Qazaqstan, stretching from Ural to Irtysh rivers. Although the real political control over Qazaqs did not start until 1822, Qazaqs living next to these forts were already dependent on the Russians because of the trade and other factors. |
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 15, 2007 22:09:06 GMT 3
i see, very interesting. so Kazaks were part of other units, like Bashkirs. i always wondered that because i never read of Kazak units but many pictures from germany etc suggest a strong Kazak presence. at least they were a favourite topic for illustrators there...  BTW, who is this Kenesari Khan of your signature? |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 16, 2007 1:51:58 GMT 3
i see, very interesting. so Kazaks were part of other units, like Bashkirs. i always wondered that because i never read of Kazak units but many pictures from germany etc suggest a strong Kazak presence. at least they were a favourite topic for illustrators there... I can email you that article fro JSTOR about Bashkir military service. Kenesarı Khan (1802 - 1847) was the last elected khan (ruler) of Kazak khanate and the leader of the great Kazak national-liberation movement against the Russian colonization of Kazakstan in 1837-47. His uprising for the Kazak independence stretched across all of the Kazakstan, he successfully fought the technically superior Russian forces and captured Russian military fortresses. The French writer Jules Verne used Kenesarı as a prototype for the character of Feofor Khan in his novel "Michael Strogoff". |
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Post by gie on Nov 17, 2007 0:24:15 GMT 3
Does anyone knows from which books the next 2 plates come? They both show persian and saka warriors.   Can anyone please post any other plates that have not been allready posted in this thread with messagae or saka warriors? |
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 17, 2007 0:39:15 GMT 3
i only know the illustrator of the first, Mikhail Gorelik, but i also would like to know from which books they are, must be russian books. btw i have many pictures like the second pic, but i guess you have them too already... |
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Post by gie on Nov 17, 2007 12:54:00 GMT 3
i only know the illustrator of the first, Mikhail Gorelik, but i also would like to know from which books they are, must be russian books. btw i have many pictures like the second pic, but i guess you have them too already... I only have the plates from this page and the next ones gorod.crimea.edu/librari/greki/str_01.htmlbut not other black and white plate like the one above. The black and white plate shows some of the warriors from the color pages and others. Do you know from which book they are? Do you have other black and white plates of this type? Could you show them to me? |
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 17, 2007 20:21:53 GMT 3
yeah, those are the pictures i meant. no idea from which book they are...
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Post by gie on Nov 19, 2007 23:42:53 GMT 3
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Nov 19, 2007 23:46:15 GMT 3
The user cataphract originaly posted the next plate on this forum This artwork is by Mikhail Gorelik It's an illustration from the book "Macedonian gambit" by Korolev K. Other illustrations are here: militera.lib.ru/h/korolev_k/ill.html |
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Post by Balkhani on Nov 20, 2007 0:48:47 GMT 3
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Post by Balkhani on Nov 20, 2007 1:20:59 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 20, 2007 13:03:36 GMT 3
Great pictures  |
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Post by Balkhani on Nov 20, 2007 19:51:22 GMT 3
Some more. Seems like they are poping out everywhere. .jpg) .jpg) |
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Post by gie on Nov 21, 2007 0:20:15 GMT 3
The user cataphract originaly posted the next plate on this forum This artwork is by Mikhail Gorelik It's an illustration from the book "Macedonian gambit" by Korolev K. Other illustrations are here: militera.lib.ru/h/korolev_k/ill.htmlThank You ! |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 22, 2007 15:40:01 GMT 3
Interesting photos. It seems Steppe warfare and Steppe lifestyle is quiet popular in Bulgaria, even more than in Turkey because we never have such nice recreations here  |
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