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Post by Balkhani on Sept 24, 2007 22:01:59 GMT 3
Aha, I watched one of the videoa this morning and I was planning to open a thread about them  What a coincidence ;D And the reannactions are very nice  This shows that the old Bulghars (the ruling class and the military, not their Thraco-Slavic subjects) were Turkic (even though their dialect was already quiet different from other Turkic peoples), as you can see from their costumes Well,they were not exactly turkic, but were 100% nomadic/semi-nomadic (Zahary Ritor I believe, described the Bulgars in Great Bulgaria ,toghether with the Alans as typical semi-nomads "The Alans and Bulgars built cities and some of them live in tents") The Thraco-slavic people were pushed to the boarders of the state by our rulers - first by Asparukh,who moved them on the northern side of the Danube on the border with the Avars,then by Krum who moved them to the boarder with the Franks,then by Omurtag who chased them even out of the Empire and to the northern black sea coast. |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 24, 2007 23:37:02 GMT 3
Hmm, I shall open a new thread and we shall discuss this there |
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Post by gie on Sept 29, 2007 10:58:07 GMT 3
Saka Warriors The first 2 from 5-4 Century Bc. and the last from 1 Century Bc.  5 Century Bc  3 Persian warriors 5 Century Bc( the one from th right is a saka warrior).   |
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Post by Temüjin on Sept 29, 2007 18:21:22 GMT 3
mmmh, many of those are not Steppe warriors at all but Indians or Persians...  |
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Post by Balkhani on Oct 5, 2007 20:55:19 GMT 3
Dunno wheter he's Turkic or Mongol, but i like the picture  |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 5, 2007 23:24:27 GMT 3
Thank you |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Oct 7, 2007 5:26:55 GMT 3
Dunno wheter he's Turkic or Mongol, but i like the picture It's called "Tatar" by Timur Karimov from Dushanbe, Tajkistan (Ozbek maybe?) |
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Post by Temüjin on Oct 7, 2007 23:26:26 GMT 3
some new contemporary prints from Napoleonic Wars: Cossack with Crimean Tatar:  "Khirgiz" (Kazak)  there were more pictures of Cossacks, but i think i've posted enough Cossacks by now. in fact, i have so many pictures, i could make a big thread just with Cossacks ;D |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 8, 2007 0:42:42 GMT 3
Interesting, thanks |
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Oct 9, 2007 4:05:31 GMT 3
Thanks for "Kirgis" (Kazak)! He's awesome! ))
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Post by Temüjin on Oct 9, 2007 19:40:51 GMT 3
i'm glad you like it  BTW i have some questions. first, do you know by chance what the "S" horsebranding means? also, from what i know Kazakhstan was only conquered later in the 19th century, why do you think so many Kazaks volunteered to aid Russia? was it an alliance, or where they just mercenaries looking for money and loot? |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 9, 2007 19:56:16 GMT 3
As far as I know, they were already under Russian protectorate in the late 18th century. BAWIR$AQ Yabghu would answer your question better than me |
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Post by sarmat on Oct 10, 2007 7:58:47 GMT 3
Abulkhair Khan asked the Russian protectorate as early as in 1731. In 1801 a part of the small Kazakh horde, known as Bukei Horde was allowed to settle in the Astrakhan region of the Russian empire. A lot of Nomadic horsemen especially Bashkirs, Tatars, Kazakhs (mostly Bukei horde Kazakhs) were employed as frontier guardsmen in "irregular cavalry" units starting from the end of the 18th beginning of the 19th century. Later they were succesfully employed against French during Napoleonic wars. Here is the detailed article in English about the history of Bashkir irregular cavalry in the Russian Imperial Army. www.jstor.org/view/00376779/di000533/00p0008g/0?frame=noframe&userID=80a4d581 |
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Post by Temüjin on Oct 10, 2007 21:24:30 GMT 3
i can't access jstor, i think my computer has to be part of a university network or something.
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What a coincidence ;D
This shows that the old Bulghars (the ruling class and the military, not their Thraco-Slavic subjects) were Turkic (even though their dialect was already quiet different from other Turkic peoples), as you can see from their costumes 
