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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 6, 2010 19:20:00 GMT 3
I just dug up some Hungarian video about the latest out-of-mainstream research on Hungarian history.
The basic idea is that the Hungarians are descended from the Xiongnu, that the Scythians, Huns, Xiongnu, Avars, and Magyars were all one people. Then I thought it was a joke because later in the video there is talk about how this "one people" spoke many languages and knew many different writing systems. But the images are cool.
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 6, 2010 19:25:06 GMT 3
Looks like there's a whole series of videos under the title "CSILLAGÖSVÉNYEN" about Hungarian history.
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Post by sarmat on Apr 6, 2010 21:13:47 GMT 3
Who is "professor Uchiratu" ?
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Post by sarmat on Apr 6, 2010 21:14:34 GMT 3
Overall the video is nice mix up of a few historical facts with the large body of nonsense.
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 7, 2010 0:02:26 GMT 3
It would have been nice if they balanced this series of videos with interviews of mainstream Hungarian history scholars. In the video I posted is Borbala Obrusanszky. I don't know if you recall in the past year we had a member here who wrote about Uchiraltu (some Inner Mongolian professor) and Obrusanszky. As far as I can tell she's some new scholar on the Xiongnu, not Hungarians. Uchiraltu is supposed to be some Inner Mongolia scholar on the Xiongnu language.
What really makes me laugh is the circular logic though. First Borbala says that Huns and Scythians should not be differentiated as much as they are, that they're one people. Then later she says that these people spoke many different languages, etc. Uh... perhaps because they weren't the same people? There's this leap of logic then that the Hungarians are Huns without any real explanation.
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Post by Subu'atai on Apr 7, 2010 0:04:32 GMT 3
ROFL! LOL! Hahaha this is so bad, this video made me cough out so much out of my flu due to laughter... xD Oh well, at least today I know it will be a good day as it started off with humor.
They have certain points though, unless someone beats me too it I might get into it after work. But I agree with Sarmat, a lot of it is a bit LOL
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 7, 2010 0:28:35 GMT 3
Video about Bulcsu, one of the Karcha/Horkas or third rank/judge below Kende and Gyula. Wish I could find more with subtitles.
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 7, 2010 0:33:59 GMT 3
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Post by Subu'atai on Apr 7, 2010 0:46:41 GMT 3
Hungarians/Magyars... you folks, I don't know what to think. Hjernespiser at least you are knowledgable, you don't let passion come in the way of facts.
For all other Maygars I've met however... from my experience you folks have such passion for the steppes, yet historically OMFG! My first girlfriend, wow that was what... 9 yrs ago - was Magyar by ancestry (I'm such AN OLD FART!), never found the courage to confront her with this however, she was the best striker I ever fought as a trained kickboxing both in the ring and on the street. Still remember when she dropped c-nts with single jabs especially one incident during a house party where the bloke 2x her size was knocked out cold for the whole night (we ditched him on the lawn). I was a bit scared of her back in the day, and even to this day, even though if it wasn't for her I would be a forgotten corpse back in Perth (she was one of the few who stood by me while others betrayed me on the street)
Even nowadays I compare wifey to her, which she hates. Sometimes I do it just to make her squirm - women are so cute! xD Meh, but still I dunno about you Magyars. I can't let personal feelings interfere. And this is not the first time I've seen Hungarians go over the top with their views. As for the first video you posted the first thing I started laughing about was about the Xia dynasty being Hun.
The steppes had meritocracy sure, but we were never all the same tribe or people. To achieve such a thing is to be traditionally non-steppe-like and "civilised" which will comprise of genocides and extermination. How the makers twisted this fact into pro-Hungarian propaganda and nationalistic belief... I don't know. Meh... nevermind, I'll get to this more when I don't have work in my head.
And their racialism is so bloody pronounced in that video I can hardly accept it. So, Hungarians consider we Mongols as 'exceptions' to the Mongoloid theory, having tall leaders oh wow LOL! And height is a simple of nobility? Even Boku has no weight and height classes ffs!, your own individual skill and strength is all that matters - reflective of steppe meritocracy. We aren't the only ones either in the case of this whole "Mongoloid" colonial categorisation.
Take a trip to Asia as I have last year and you will see for yourself. These Hungarians.... argh! Maybe Tengri (or what wifey considers "God") decided to force me to see the funny side of Hungarians so that I can get over my first gf for wifey and Heaven my daughter lol. Oh hell I hate work... oh nvm... random sh.t in my head atm.
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Post by hjernespiser on Apr 7, 2010 1:14:09 GMT 3
Hah yea that height thing was bizarre. I'm not sure exactly what point they were trying to make, as if height is indicative of how related people are as opposed to indicative of good nutrition.
It's all political. Ever since the Hapsburgs took over rule of Hungary the national mind has been all down hill. They focus too much upon the glorious past because after that was oppressive and depressing. Hungarians became marginalized in their own (new) homeland. There's even a Hungarian history book entitled "The Hungarians: A Thousand Years of Victory in Defeat" to reflect it. And because of that, everything becomes a conspiracy against the Hungarian legends. I guess it isn't much different from Native American tribes who reject the results of genetic anthropology because it conflicts with their beliefs about being created from the American land.
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Post by sarmat on Apr 7, 2010 17:16:33 GMT 3
I would, actually, say that is very common for every nation. If you look at any history book of any country, the stuff you'll find there is that how great and glorious their past was and how oppressive and evil all their neighbors were...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 7, 2010 22:21:22 GMT 3
I just dug up some Hungarian video about the latest out-of-mainstream research on Hungarian history. The basic idea is that the Hungarians are descended from the Xiongnu, that the Scythians, Huns, Xiongnu, Avars, and Magyars were all one people. Then I thought it was a joke because later in the video there is talk about how this "one people" spoke many languages and knew many different writing systems. But the images are cool. Hahahaha, absolute nonsense.
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Post by Subu'atai on Apr 8, 2010 2:37:31 GMT 3
This is kinda sad, now I feel depressed. Can't drink before work unfortunately =(
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Post by Asparuh on Apr 9, 2010 0:43:22 GMT 3
Interesting video.The Magyars must have something with the Huns and Scythians in my opinion. Actually i do believe the Huns are ancestors of many asiatic nations like Magyars,Avars,Bulgars and others.Actually these nations begin to rise after the colapsing of the European Hun Empire in 5 century.And this means that the Magyars were one of the succesors of the Huns as well as the Bulgars.But i cannot agree that Scythians,Huns,Magyars and Avars were all one people.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 9, 2010 23:16:20 GMT 3
Well, there is still a major time gap between the Huns and Magyars, so it's very hard to proove that the Magyars are the descendents of the Huns.
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