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Post by aynur on Jan 27, 2010 23:20:38 GMT 3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihal_Ats%C4%B1zI'm currently working on an essay on this guy but most of the sources are in turkish and unfortunately I only understand like 1 percent of what they say on those sites. I'd really appreciate if somebody could give me some proper information on this guy, Wikipedia just isn't enough. By the way, has somebody ever read his books? Bozkurtların Ölümü, a novel of his sounds interesting.
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Post by ALTAR on Jan 28, 2010 0:17:28 GMT 3
Nihal Atsız wasn't only a writer, He was one of the most important personality of Pan-Turkist, Pan-Turanist Movement in Turkey. He was strictly anti-communist, against the Non-Turkish ethnic grops of Turkey and secular Turkish Ultra Nationalist with hard Turanist Sentiment. However he used Turanism as a term which could be described like Union of Turk Nations. On the other hand, he was friendly about other Turanian Nations especially Hungarians and Finns. He published many books, magazines for spreading his ideas. Many times he was oprressed and jailed by the different governments in his life.
Besides his ideological works, he was an important expert the history of Ancient Turks especially before Islamic Era. Greywolves Serie novels that he wrote made an huge impact towards Turkish Nationalism, he influenced many Turkish Youth who had National-Racial Pride.
He glorified Ancient Turkish(Kok-Turk) People, Culture, Life Style in the Greywolves Serie.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 28, 2010 2:13:24 GMT 3
Being one of the most controversial figures in modern Turkish history, he was a soldier, writer, poet, historian, linguist, teacher and ideologist. Plus, he was very brave, honest and straight person who never lied about his thoughts and spoke them out publicly.
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Post by sarmat on Jan 28, 2010 4:32:06 GMT 3
Have any of his works been translated into English?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 28, 2010 10:36:25 GMT 3
I haven't seen any Actually they should be translated.
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Post by ceonni on Jan 28, 2010 11:36:27 GMT 3
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 29, 2010 9:10:28 GMT 3
Sounds like someone I'd get into an argument with, but respect.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 29, 2010 13:40:32 GMT 3
Indeed He was described by others as "blood drops from his pen" because he had a very strong and bitter writing style, but in real life he was a very relaxed and entertaining person
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Post by falqon on Oct 5, 2010 17:13:05 GMT 3
even though he had some debatable ideas and thoughts Atsız was a cool guy :) but i came upon this topic while searching for KIZIL ELMA or RED APPLE i guess in english i was wondering what exactly it is as i wrote here turuk.alternatiforum.com/ too those who have any knowledge on this..!?
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Post by Modu Tanhu on Sept 16, 2011 16:33:33 GMT 3
Nihal Atsiz was a wrong person, wrong in the meaning of; he was ultra-racist and ultra-fascist, the most extreme and dangerous form of it. Though I have to admit he has some good ideas and I like his nationalism.
But I don't like his attitude against Islam.
BTW, did you guys know Nihal Atsiz let himself be tested to which race he did belong to? The test result was soooo disappointing. He was a DÖNME!! A donme in Turkish is a jew who pretends himself to be muslim but he is an Hebrew, like Sabatai Sevi.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 16, 2011 19:40:57 GMT 3
That's actually not true, he is known to have mocked people who tried to find out their races by having their skulls checked. One of his enemies must have made up that story.
And I like his attitude against Islam.
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Post by ALTAR on Sept 16, 2011 21:52:47 GMT 3
BTW, did you guys know Nihal Atsiz let himself be tested to which race he did belong to? The test result was soooo disappointing. He was a DÖNME!! A donme in Turkish is a jew who pretends himself to be muslim but he is an Hebrew, like Sabatai Sevi. Nonsense...There is no kind of test like you mentioned. Sabetaists(Converted Jews) are from Selanik. Atsýz's ancestors were from Gümüþhane, Torul. Torul is a town whose people are from Cepni clan of Oghuz Turks.
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Post by Modu Tanhu on Sept 16, 2011 23:18:24 GMT 3
Be it right or wrong, It's all your choice to believe in.
He coulde just have rejected Islam if he didn't believe in it. But to write some insulting things about it is disrespecting.
Not all donmes are from Selanik, theyre everywhere.
Did you also know that the pan-Turkist Ittihad ve Terakki cemiyeti from Ottoman Empire contained much Turkish fascists like Nihal Atsiz with Hebrew and jewish origin? What I don't get is this: those who are not Turkic but claim theyre Turkic are always extreme fascists.
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Post by ancalimon on Sept 17, 2011 0:12:37 GMT 3
Be it right or wrong, It's all your choice to believe in. He coulde just have rejected Islam if he didn't believe in it. But to write some insulting things about it is disrespecting. Not all donmes are from Selanik, theyre everywhere. Did you also know that the pan-Turkist Ittihad ve Terakki cemiyeti from Ottoman Empire contained much Turkish fascists like Nihal Atsiz with Hebrew and jewish origin? What I don't get is this: those who are not Turkic but claim theyre Turkic are always extreme fascists. And those Sabetay (Secret Jewish Kaballah people disguised as pious Muslims and die hard Turks) people (although I don't know any names and can't tell who Nihal Atsýz actually was) have extreme power in Turkey today. Especially in media and politics, though this was all my uncle (who was a reporter and the closest person to an old president of Turkey and very close to leaders of Turkic countries) told me despite all my begs and pleads. Later he quit his job. And not all Sebetay people were born in Selanik. That's a wrong assumption. Today there are many people in Turkey who acts like a nationalist but what they do have nothing to do with nationalism. They actually use nationalism as a disguise to follow their agenda. These people also assassinate people under disguise of defending "Turkishness". Whatever that is.
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Post by ALTAR on Sept 17, 2011 9:48:44 GMT 3
Be it right or wrong, It's all your choice to believe in. He coulde just have rejected Islam if he didn't believe in it. But to write some insulting things about it is disrespecting. Not all donmes are from Selanik, theyre everywhere. Did you also know that the pan-Turkist Ittihad ve Terakki cemiyeti from Ottoman Empire contained much Turkish fascists like Nihal Atsiz with Hebrew and jewish origin? What I don't get is this: those who are not Turkic but claim theyre Turkic are always extreme fascists. Being anti-islam or rejecting islam doesn't mean that the persons could be jewish. & sabetaist There is no historical record that Sabetaist lived in Gumushane, Torul. ;D You believe conspiracy theories so much like Everyone is jewish & sabetaists. Most of Sabetaists were deported Selanik by Ottoman Sultan IV.Mehmed from Ýzmir in XVIIth century. After the indepedence war they are sent back Turkey by Greeks for the change of population agreement in 1923. They mainly settled Ýstanbul & Ýzmir. Yes Jews & Sabetaists supported Ýttihat Terakki. However, it doesnt mean all ittihad terakki cadres were jewish or sabetaists. They are a small minority in Selanik and the party. The topic is locked because of irrelevancy.
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