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Post by Subu'atai on May 12, 2009 7:38:22 GMT 3
^ Erm that's the SAME link I posted earlier lol!
Loved that movie, it has a great spiritual meaning to it.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 12, 2009 19:00:28 GMT 3
Don't worry, I can get total access to Youtube using some programs ;D Very nice movie it was, indeed
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Post by Attila on May 14, 2009 11:36:26 GMT 3
Kingdom of Heaven... Good film, and has deep meanings behind it. I actually saw it a year ago. Oh, and Turkey bans YouTube? For what purpose? That seems ridiculous.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 14, 2009 11:48:48 GMT 3
Because of an outdated law which has lots of flaws. There is this "Protection of Atatürk" law, so when some idiots uploaded some anti-Turkish videos in Youtube in which they also insulted Atatürk, a court ruled out that access to the entire site is going to be banned from Turkey as long as the videos stay. The thing is that, the internet censorship law is quite outdated and the judges have no understanding of technology, so instead of banning access to a single page in an website, they banned access to the entire site, because they don't know the difference, and the outdated law also does not make that difference because it's outdated
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Post by Subu'atai on May 16, 2009 15:47:16 GMT 3
Are you sure it's banned? There's a huge youtube war going on between Turks and... the entire world it seems. "Hate Islam" "Hate Turks" "Greeks rule" "Mongols go back to Mongolia", etc. Hehe, check this Aussie response to keyboard warriors: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORdJMC53704&feature=response_watch
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 17, 2009 13:15:46 GMT 3
LOL I know ;D The thing is, the vast majority of internet users in Turkey, including me, can get access to Youtube via some other way ;D
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Post by Subu'atai on May 17, 2009 18:52:18 GMT 3
Heh that explains it, though it looks like you Turks are quite outnumbered =/
Sad that I'm not in the vicinity of these keyboard warriors to "pleasantly work" on their sorry carcasses. I'm just curious what's the law on tourists who visit Greece? Like my cousin who visited England ended up hospitalising two Anglos and only got jailed for 24 hrs before deportation.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 18, 2009 20:50:16 GMT 3
That's also the case in Turkey - they spend one night under custody and are deported the next day. I don't know for Greece though.
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Post by arnewise12 on May 20, 2009 2:10:42 GMT 3
Are even tourist deported, I mean I saw many tourist behaving like nuts , the police didnt do anything.
I was in Alanya with some friends, and we drank liquor in the harbour were the police saw us, and they didnt say anything hehe ;D ;D,
Back to the topic,
Isnt the central asian shamanism peaceful, I mean there is no jihads or crusades in gods name, thought I know very little about shamanism
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 20, 2009 13:08:00 GMT 3
If they get involved in a serious fight, yes.
Uhm well yes it was much more peaceful when compared with Islam or Christianity. Though for example the Huns and Göktürks practiced human sacrifices during the funerals of their dynasty members. The Bulgars sacrificed humans before sieges. The Turks who established big empires also thought that God had given their rulers authorities of rulership (Qut), and these rulers had the task of uniting everyone under their own banner, so that's why they always tried to annex other nomadic peoples.
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Post by hjernespiser on May 20, 2009 19:27:20 GMT 3
I love the concept of Qut, "Mandate from Heaven". The dual-kingship systems developed because of Qut. Qut came to be considered so precious to the welfare of the nation that the sacred king had to be kept safe and out of sight from everyone so as not to disturb Qut. That meant a military king needed to exist in order to do the actual day-to-day ruling.
Magyars adopted this dual-kingship (their ruling class was mostly Turkic) and they even supposedly adopted the idea that the old king had to be sacrificed when his Qut ran out. The story goes that Almos was sacrificed before entering the new land, although there's some evidence to suggest that he wasn't...
I don't believe that shamanism can be compared with religions like Islam and Christianity. The systems are fundamentally different. Shamanism just *is*. It's not even really a religion so much as it is a practice. Shamanism is like, "this is what we've just been doing since time immemorial. Doesn't everyone do this?" The other religions are more like, "no one else does this because they're wrong! Let's convert them!"
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on May 21, 2009 9:51:02 GMT 3
I completely agree. Shamanism shouldn't be conceived of as a religion. There are no unified doctrines like in an organised religion such as Islam / Christianity. Each community has its own different beliefs and customs. Rather it should be thought of as a type of spirituality which is apart from a major organised religion.
I think the word 'religion' implies a certain structure which is absent from shamanism.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 21, 2009 14:45:21 GMT 3
Yes indeed, we can speak about an Ancient Turkic Religion which was more organised from Siberian shamanisms. Siberian peoples all have their own set of beliefs. For example, the shamanism of Sakhas (Yakut) is quite different from the Southern Siberians.
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Post by thracianglad on May 24, 2009 12:43:15 GMT 3
History has prooven us that no religion is peaceful. No man - most of the religions are peaceful, but used by bad people for authority they became terrible thing!
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Post by schiirschach on Jun 22, 2011 10:44:34 GMT 3
^ violence is a vital part of humanity - can religion exist in isolation ?
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