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Post by Attila on Apr 29, 2009 12:06:00 GMT 3
As a Christian, let me just say that Christianity, in its purest form, the way Jesus taught it, would be the most peaceful religion. What most people think of Christianity in terms of violence, are the Roman Catholic crusades, as the Roman Catholic church had strayed quite far from the original teachings of Jesus.
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Post by Subu'atai on Apr 29, 2009 16:58:50 GMT 3
^ NOOO!! You speak blasphemy! There MUST be war!! GOD WILLS IT! ;D www.youtube.com/watch?v=k97ApJiJD9cHeh ne ways Christianity has as much intolerance even in modern times as Islam, though both are very confused in their faith in present times. Original teachings of Christ I only know very few who live by it, and as Jesus said "My burden is light, but my path is narrow". I'm not Christian myself but I respect the tolerant christians, I just can't stand the pharise... I mean I just can't stand the churchies
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 29, 2009 17:58:21 GMT 3
Judaism, Christianity and Islam... they all are the same thing, being Middle Eastern Semitic religions.
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Post by Attila on May 5, 2009 5:24:58 GMT 3
^ NOOO!! You speak blasphemy! There MUST be war!! GOD WILLS IT! ;D www.youtube.com/watch?v=k97ApJiJD9cHeh ne ways Christianity has as much intolerance even in modern times as Islam, though both are very confused in their faith in present times. Original teachings of Christ I only know very few who live by it, and as Jesus said "My burden is light, but my path is narrow". I'm not Christian myself but I respect the tolerant christians, I just can't stand the pharise... I mean I just can't stand the churchies That's true, and I completely agree. There are many modern Christian pharisees out in the world who make a bad representation of the followers of Christ. I myself am far from a perfect Christian, but I try to do what I can to follow the teachings of Jesus. Judaism, Christianity and Islam... they all are the same thing, being Middle Eastern Semitic religions. I'm going to have to disagree. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, while they bear a number of similarities, are very different in their core beliefs. The Jews believe in Yahweh (God), Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah and Son of God, while Muslims believe in the teachings of Muhammad (and believe in Allah, which they claim is the same as the Judeo-Christian God, though I disagree with this). They did, however, originate in the Middle East, being followed primarily (at first at least for Christianity) by Semitic peoples, such as Jews and Arabs. Don't just say they are the same, because while they seem similar, they're not so much... P.S. Aren't you a Muslim yourself? I thought I read in an older thread which suggested so...
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Post by Subu'atai on May 5, 2009 15:42:44 GMT 3
They all originated from Semitic faith, that's facts. Even Islam uses the old testament of the Hebrew bible.
As much as I can respect Christians who follow after the teachings of Christ (I'm even married to a Christian who has her own outreach), the ratio of spiritual Christians compared to religious Christians is rather disturbing unfortunately. Hence I can't consider Christianity into the category of peaceful or tolerant faiths. This is being realistic, hence I don't support Christian missionaries or evangelism or Christian belief that "All who do not believe will burn in hell" or doomsday stuff etc. Hence I don't support Christianity being spread either.
My wife has a very unique way of living by faith;
1) She doesn't evangelise, she doesn't even bring up God into any conversation. She focuses on being the best woman she can be, and as a result people (like myself in the past) end up asking her where she finds her strength.
Despite this power of hers she never wished to convert anyone, I remember one story she told me that a Muslim friend she had wanted to join Hillsong Church, repent for her sins and surrender her life to Jesus at the church altar. Now ALMOST ALL Christians these days would go "This is the best choice you can make in your life!"
My wife however, said to her friend that she should forget all these religious rituals, forget about going up to the altar, forget about going up on stage and giving a testimony about how good Christianity is and how bad Islam is (which Christians tend to encourage). My wife simply told her that such matters are between her and Allah; God, and no one else.
2) When she's leading a service she doesn't even ask for offering. Heck she even refused to have a coinbox. She was even told off by the main church for cutting out the offerings, until one bloke insisted on giving her a check of $1000 to build up her own church. Somehow it seems God provides for her, and the main church pretty much shut up after that.
3) She has never once condemned any other denominations or non-christian faiths despite what the main church does (she's still ministering dependently with the main Hillsong church you see). She even married a Pagan - me. In fact, she's slowly getting into my head as during our rather tough times at the moment - she has proven much stronger then me dealing with the stress of preparing for our daughter's birth.
Hell to be honest there are many more virtues about her that I simply can't list. I know from her example that true Christianity can really bring out the best of a person, how it can really shine out. So yes I know the potential of Christianity, but reality is far from pleasant. She's just one woman, and I have met few others like her. She's the type of Christian I wouldn't mind into Mongolia, but for now, Christianity is still very dangerous.
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Post by hjernespiser on May 6, 2009 1:43:33 GMT 3
I thought Islam's only book is the Quran and then they use some hadiths for other interpretations. I've never heard of Muslims to be reading the Torah or Bible. They do reference stories from those other sources in the Quran, but they're not exact copies like how the Bible includes the Old Testament.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 7, 2009 20:44:32 GMT 3
From where I stand (out of all those three religions), they are the same for me ;D I mean yes of course they have their great differences, even inside the religions, but after all they were invented by Semitic peoples, or more correctly Christianity and Islam have their roots in Judaism, which ultimately has most of it's stuff from Sumer (which is non-Semitic). Plus, I'm not even counting all the other non-Semitic influences (from the native religions of Mediterrenean, Middle East, Central Asia and India, plus Zoroastrianism).
Oh and no, Arabo-Islamic Allah is the same with Christian God, only that it lacks a son and another separate "holy spirit".
Used to be, not anymore. Islam is as alien to me as Christianity and Judaism or any other religion are.
Those Muslims think the Old and new Testaments were originally the words of Allah, only to be corrupted by the Jews later. Thus, they consider the Jews and Christians as "People of the Book", so they show some amount of religious tolerance. Islam orders that any other thought and belief outside these are to be destroyed completely from the face of the earth.
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Post by Subu'atai on May 7, 2009 22:16:33 GMT 3
*Bangs shaman drum*
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 8, 2009 1:35:03 GMT 3
Yeah, just look at what those Muslims did to Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and the Turkic Religion in Central Asia.
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Post by Subu'atai on May 8, 2009 3:50:25 GMT 3
I always wondered what would happen if we start considering religion as a mental condition. Would be a lot less hate in the world.
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Post by hjernespiser on May 8, 2009 6:45:03 GMT 3
I understand about "People of the Book" (I did read most of the Quran once many years ago). I was questioning what looked like to me an assertion that Muslims _use_ the Old Testament and not merely reference or revere it. Isn't the Quran meant as sort of like a complete revision from God of His earlier commands?
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Post by ALTAR on May 8, 2009 12:02:33 GMT 3
I think the most peacuful religions were belonged to Arawak(Native American tribe) of Caribbeans and Polynesian peoples(Especially Tahiti Island) beliefs before Christianity.
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Post by Subu'atai on May 8, 2009 16:21:35 GMT 3
How about the Saami? They didn't even have a word for war
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 10, 2009 19:35:10 GMT 3
I understand about "People of the Book" (I did read most of the Quran once many years ago). I was questioning what looked like to me an assertion that Muslims _use_ the Old Testament and not merely reference or revere it. Isn't the Quran meant as sort of like a complete revision from God of His earlier commands? Yes, the Muslims don't make reference to the testaments because they consider them "corrupted". They only make reference to Quran and the Hadith.
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Post by pilav on May 12, 2009 0:52:56 GMT 3
Well every religion has their own violent section, which at that point they would be hypocritical. Like I said if they go against their own religion's law then they are foolish to think they are still apart of the religion. Thats how the crusades were justified www.youtube.com/watch?v=k97ApJiJD9c(A clip from Kingdom of Heaven, I apologise if the Turkish Ban on Youtube prevents one from seeing it)
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