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Post by atabek on Jun 9, 2010 6:48:41 GMT 3
Member Atabek (Title Tarqan 54 posts) The information that you have provided isn’t something new to us. Everybody knows that the Eastern Dialect of Turkish is quite closer to Azerbaijani Turkish than Standard Anatolian (Istanbullite) Turkish. Witch I have said on several occasions, and frankly I am getting tired of repeating myself! Eastern Anatolian Turkish doesn’t only sound more like Azerbaijani Turkish but it has a lot of vocabulary and grammatical similarities. This is because they are both languages of the Turkic family’s Oghuz branch. And I already explained how dialects work by gradually shifting from region to region. As we come to the Bayburt dialect, that is not proof… Nomads can settle quite a few Kilometers from their ‘original’ home (Nomads roam where ever they want), settling amongst other peoples. What is my counter argument to your Bayburt ‘hypothesis’ ? I have a friend from Aksaray Turkey (Central Anatolia). He comes from a place called Acemhöyük (Persian mound). They we are called pakirbas or bakirpas were we come from. Bakirbas is a name given to the Turkmens because of the copper ornaments of the women’s headwear. “We are also known as Hoylu” in that region he said. Hoy or Xoy is a town in Southern Azerbaycan (Iran). “We also talk like gelirem, gidirem” he said. You have no knowledge of the tribe migration of the Turkmen tribes from “Azerbaycan” (South and North) to Anatolia. Quite a few did including the Karapapaks due to the Russian invasion of the Caucasus and to some extend due to the regime change in Iran (not the Islamic revolution) I think. When the Puppet Pahlavi Dynasty replaced the Qajar dynasty Member Atabek you lack certain qualities one needs when debating, first of all you refuse to read the given information or arguments by other member properly or at all I’m beginning to think. Because of that you continuo you’re counter arguments based on your own fantasy or “true” & “sacred” information, the rest of us never had and will have access to. Frankly I’m getting tired of your monologues, it’s like the rest of us are talking to a wall. (I also like to thank Sarmat Shad for his information on this subject). I’m beginning to think that you member Atabek also lack logic at this point. To conclude: I will no longer stand your attitude of discarding information of other members and especially staff members! And your posting of what I’m beginning to think is Azerbaijani propaganda to some extent. This is my only warning to you Member Atabek! This is a warning, not an official one but if you continue to reply without properly reading comments of other members I WILL give you an official warning! There is no place for your kind of debate, discussion or call it whatever you like. If you're not going to respect at least READ the opinions of other members! Atabeg Yabgu Global Moderator of Steppe History Forum Warning? Did I use any wrong language or something? Can you tell me why you get upset? Learn the defination of similiarity. You cannot call an exact thing as "similiar". Standard Anatolian Turkish and Azerbaijani Turkish are similiar. But Igdir, Bayburt, Kars, Ardahan etc...dialects are exactly same. Look at the words above comparing Azerbaijani Turkish and Bayburt dialect. Dozens of word 100% same. You must be either blind or...
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Post by atabek on Jun 9, 2010 6:39:36 GMT 3
First of all maybe you should do some searching? Azerbaijan are a Turkic nation.
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Post by atabek on Jun 9, 2010 6:36:17 GMT 3
If you do not know, there are a country called Azerbaijan. I do not care what Azeris in Iran thinks. Also, Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani Turks are secular nation, so there is no shia-sunni talk. A religion cannot define some ones ethnicity. Poles are Catholic while Russians are Orthodox, they are both Slavs. Also, I doubt what you say. This is from Azeris in Iran. Look what they say during a football match, this is from Tebriz. "Azerbaijan is ours, Afghanistan (Fars) is yours".
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Post by atabek on Jun 8, 2010 6:42:53 GMT 3
Not Azeri but Azerbaijani Turk.
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Post by atabek on Jun 8, 2010 6:41:26 GMT 3
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Post by atabek on Jun 8, 2010 6:31:22 GMT 3
Its not closer, its exactly same. From Igdir to Gumushane. Can you tell me why governor of Bayburt explains that Bayburt language are Azerbaijani Turkish? www.bayburtvakfi.org.tr/?SXNsZW09SGFiZXJEZXRheSZIYWJlck5vPTU5JkthdGVnb3JpTm89MTY="Bayburt Ağzı Azerbaycan’dan geliyor Dil-Kültür ilişkisi göz önünde bulundurulduğunda Dede Korkut Hikayelerine konu olan olayların geçtiği coğrafyalarda kullanılan dilin semantik (anlam), morfolojik (yapı) ve fonetik (ses)açılarından benzerlik göstermesi gayet doğaldır. Bu bağlamda özellikle Azarbeycan ağzı ile Bayburt ağzı büyük benzerlikler göstermektedir. Aşağıdaki örneklerde Azarbeycan ağzı ile Bayburt ağzının ses, yapı, ve anlam özellikleri açısından ne kadar benzer olduğunu kanıtlamaktadır." Karapapaks are Sunni only in Turkey. Think why?
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 21:25:09 GMT 3
Karapapak language are a dialect of Azerbaijani Turkish. . So your exampele are irrelevant. And I did not knew we colonized nations. ;D And its not only language. Their culture and everything else is same. Its funny to even discuss this because even northeastern parts of Turkey are Azerbaijani Turks, as far west as Bayburt and Gumushane. Bayburt dialect are exact of Azerbaijani Turkish for instance. This is from Igdir in Turkey. ;D
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 20:15:51 GMT 3
So I did not prove anything? You proved it yourself with your link. Karapapaks speak Azerbaijani Turkish, what more do you need?
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 19:57:29 GMT 3
I don't think going off-topic are what this thread was intended for. But simple to show that original Oghuz traditions still exists among Azerbaijani Turks with purity. And I don't need an Urus to tell me what my people are.
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 19:12:42 GMT 3
Anyway, why are we discussing that in this thread? This thread is about Azerbaijani Ashig tradition.
Since you all are staff members, please do not continue a senseless discussion.
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 18:41:41 GMT 3
Since you are so good at reading, why don't you understand what I write?
Above all, Karapapaks speaks Azerbaijani Turkish and have same culture as rest of Azerbaijan and everything else same. And this is not a secret.
And again, since you are so good at reading, read this: Basically, Karapapak are a name given to Azerbaijani Turks that fled Russian invasion and settled in Turkey. And why they are called in that way I have already explained.
Do I have to repeat it millions times.
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 18:23:11 GMT 3
Karapapaks speak Azerbaijani Turkish, have same culture and all. How are they a separate people?
If you can point me a difference, then we can talk.
Karapapaks were not deported. Do you have a significant source for it?
Karapapak settlement in Turkey happend during 1800s, they are basically Azerbaijani Turks who fled Russian invasion and was given that name because of their headgear in Turkey.
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 17:57:53 GMT 3
Asking strange questions? Where did I ask a question?
In your own link it states that Karapapaks speaks a dialect of Azerbaijani Turkish. And they do, its not a secret. ;D
Republic of Azerbaijan mainly consists of 3 tribes. Ayrum, Karapapak and Padar.
While Iranian Azerbaijan consists of Afshar, Karadagh, Shahseven, Khalaj.
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 16:45:37 GMT 3
Sure, but it originally belongs to Azerbaijan. Papaq are a man's honour in Azerbaijan. ;D
You might confuse Karapapak with Karakalpaks in Uzbekistan? What theory? Like said, Karapapak are only name given to Azerbaijani Turks in Turkey because of their headgear.
And this is from your own link:
"Karapapaks speak a dialect of Azeri"
Spare me your theories.
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Post by atabek on Jun 7, 2010 13:09:25 GMT 3
Atabek, please enlighten us about the difference between Anatolian Bağlama (Saz) and Azeri Qopuz. I ask because I really don't know the details, and both look the same. (And cut off that insulting manner of yours against other members of this forum, especially those who are members of the Staff - that is against our rules) First of all, I do not have an insulting manner. Please point it out where you have seen such. About your question, they at least sound different. The detailed difference I do not know.
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