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Post by hjernespiser on Feb 13, 2009 19:17:36 GMT 3
I didn't know that. Seems like a widely-spread word. What's the original Hungarian word for "army"? Had Double-checking in a dictionary I find 'hadsereg' for army. I read somewhere that 'had' was a term originally applied to some sort of familial warband, or rather it has ties to being a familial word. Hungarian has lots of words based upon it. Hadi = martial, warlike Hadnagy = lieutenant Előhad = vanguard Utóhad = rearguard Hajóhad = armada Hadjárat = campaign Hadászat = strategy etc.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 14, 2009 15:00:06 GMT 3
Interesting, thanks
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Post by arnewise12 on Feb 19, 2009 2:18:37 GMT 3
So its true that the commies says, the official commie historians claim that they the chinese goverment since ages have been attacked by foregins powers.
Can u please explain why the gökturks threatend china, I thought it was the opposite, As I read in unesco book of central asian early history the gökturks defended themselfs against the expansionist Chinese goverment.
BTW, is it true that chinese people hate turkic people because of the huns and gökturks.
The Chinese are refering themselfs as victims of the crime that the invaders made , with invaders they mean not only turks thourgh history but also the english and germans that tried to colonize China in the early 20 centry,
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 19, 2009 14:09:46 GMT 3
The nomads in the north had always raided China for several purposes, such as acquiring goods they could not get by trade, for political reasons, etc. Why do you think the Great Wall of China was built? If you read history a bit, you will see how many times the nomads attacked China. Don't be lazy, read some books
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Post by arnewise12 on Feb 19, 2009 23:24:31 GMT 3
So you are agreeing with the chinese commies that the invaders are nothing else than barbarians, If u have good books please recommend me to some, I was searching the site and tadamson recommended a book by nicola di cosmo about the ancient huns, I am going to buy that one, but I was wondering a thing, the ancient chinese goverments wasnt so innocent as u portray them, they wanted to conquer the huns and other steppe people to control the silk road. They divided and conquerd many people so they are not innocent, why do u take sides with the enemies way on seeing on history, I am not saying that the ancient huns were innocent, all I am saying it was a game of who masterd the silk road and gained income or money, as rappers say , its all about the benjamins hehe ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 20, 2009 15:02:58 GMT 3
I didn't say anything like that. Since you are a very beginner, you should read The Cambridge History of Early Inner Asia edited by Denis Sinor: There you will find the reasons behind nomadic raids on settled areas. Nicola di Cosmo is also very good, but he might be heavy for a very beginner like you. There is no one "innocent" in history, as there isn't any "black-and-whites". Perhaps you should change your perception of history. I didn't say China was innocent. The city-states of Turkistān (Turkestan) were vassals of Asian Huns and later Gök Türks, so in order to flank them (I'm sure you don't know what this means, but anyway), the Chinese used a strategy in which they first acquired control of these areas, then provoced nomadic vassals of these empires to revolt, and finally defeated the main Hun/Gök Türk forces in Mongolia. Oh and btw, The "Silk Road" was actually established after the Chinese occupation of the Tarim Basin, so there was basicly no established "Silk Road" the Huns controlled before the Chinese came So, before blaiming me of "supporting 'commie' ideas", go read a couple of books. And one last thing, learn to use that d**n question mark sign.
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Post by arnewise12 on Feb 22, 2009 21:36:48 GMT 3
I didnt say there was a black and white zone, btw u sound like those hollywood film actors always say, that people live in the gray zone. I can imagine state living in gray zones but not people, people arent thugs or thiefs its something that some people become due to economic reasons. anyway lets not get of topic
Why do you feel like u have been blaiming for?
Are u sure, what do u like the earlier trad between east and west than.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 23, 2009 0:46:56 GMT 3
Because you blame me of supporting "commie claims". "The northern route, which is the narrowly-defined and original Silk Road, starts at Chang'an (now called Xi'an), the capital of the ancient Chinese Empire at the time when Han Wudi (one of the greatest emperors in China's history) ended the harassment by nomadic tribes in about 1st Century BC." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_roadAlso check here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Qian
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Post by nanman on Apr 22, 2009 3:37:12 GMT 3
Not entirely, in fact mainly fanned by right wing nationalists for their causes. Nomadic civilisations beyond the wall had lots of horses. Wall was mainly created so that Nomadic horsemen would get off and checked. Nomadic horsemen was no threat if not roaming unchecked on horses, a bit like a modern motor cycle gang. Sedantary v nomadic thing. Many patterns repeated in history.
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Post by freedom on Aug 29, 2009 9:38:29 GMT 3
I didn't know that. Seems like a widely-spread word. What's the original Hungarian word for "army"? Had Double-checking in a dictionary I find 'hadsereg' for army. I read somewhere that 'had' was a term originally applied to some sort of familial warband, or rather it has ties to being a familial word. Hungarian has lots of words based upon it. Hadi = martial, warlike Hadnagy = lieutenant Előhad = vanguard Utóhad = rearguard Hajóhad = armada Hadjárat = campaign Hadászat = strategy etc. Good to see this thread still going. That is interesting, many words from the Indo-European language group - Romance & Teutonic/Germanic languages can be traced to Sanskrit.
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Post by Subu'atai on Aug 29, 2009 14:37:40 GMT 3
;D Haha
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 30, 2009 14:25:02 GMT 3
Cool ;D
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Post by Subu'atai on Aug 30, 2009 15:02:54 GMT 3
Haha, when I first saw them I was like "Crap, American bikers calling themselves Mongols" Then later on someone came up with an idea: "We should make our own Mongol biker club, and call ourselves Americans!"
Heh, that would be hilarious!
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Post by ceonni on Aug 30, 2009 21:32:47 GMT 3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokang_rebellionChina's strong "national unity" philosophy has backfired. Beijing's client state, the Myanmar Military Junta, is applying the same anti-secessionist ethos China used for Uyghurs, on the ethnic Han minority of the north and eastern Shan State of Myanmar. Beijing is mumbling principles of "domestic policy" and "restraint" and "peaceful solution" thus far. But online Zhonghua nationalist and Han nationalist sentiments are boiling, calling for Beijing to punish the perverse military junta just like it did to Vietnam in 1979, and Kim Jung-Il recently.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 31, 2009 2:09:40 GMT 3
Haha, when I first saw them I was like "Crap, American bikers calling themselves Mongols" Then later on someone came up with an idea: "We should make our own Mongol biker club, and call ourselves Americans!" Heh, that would be hilarious! Good idea ;D And your motto should be "We bring democracy, hell yeah!" ;D
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