List of Empires controlling Mongolia

[erdene]

1921-1991 Soviet Empire???

[Saran]

bigmonkey2382 said:

I still don't like that idea. Mongol land should only be held by the mongols themselves. Knowing that most likely won't happen. A good dream however..

So what's your point? Make it clear.

[bigmonkey2382]

Thought I did. I said, Only mongolians should have all mongolian lands. No Chinese, no Russian. Even though that won't happen.

[Saran]

^U r happy that half of Mongolian own land's now controlled by China (Inner Mongolia) and Russia (Siberia).

[bigmonkey2382]

No, I'm not happy one bit. I wish it would go back to the MONGOLIAN people. No russian, or Chinese should be allowed to step foot in it with intentions in getting land.

[bigmonkey2382]

Saran, you deserve it even more than any half blood, quarter, whatever. I think our people, your people should OWN all of Mongolia. - And this is coming from a half blood himself. And it angers me that others have your land, or ours, however you want to see it.

[kokturk]

bigmonkey2382 said:

Saran, you deserve it even more than any half blood, quarter, whatever. I think our people, your people should OWN all of Mongolia. - And this is coming from a half blood himself. And it angers me that others have your land, or ours, however you want to see it.

In fact, the Ural-Altai people do not have their own lands. Tell me just one independent state. Half of the Mongols, all of the Tunguzes, nearly half of the Turks and Finnics, some Magyars do not have even de jure independent state. The independent seen states are not that independent. Take Türkiye, for example. We do what EU tells us to do. Who can talk about independence?

[bigmonkey2382]

kokturk said:

bigmonkey2382 said:

Saran, you deserve it even more than any half blood, quarter, whatever. I think our people, your people should OWN all of Mongolia. - And this is coming from a half blood himself. And it angers me that others have your land, or ours, however you want to see it.

In fact, the Ural-Altai people do not have their own lands. Tell me just one independent state. Half of the Mongols, all of the Tunguzes, nearly half of the Turks and Finnics, some Magyars do not have even de jure independent state. The independent seen states are not that independent. Take Türkiye, for example. We do what EU tells us to do. Who can talk about independence?

I would like it that we could talk about it. Like I said, just a dream. But isn't one worth letting go of if someday the country can gain it at one time..

[temur]

It,s not a dream! my brother. I,m very happy that you think so! But how to realize this dream is another thing, because it needs us to unite all Mongol tribes and win supports as more as possible(from international world, esp steppe Warriors). And then use our blood and life to regain our territory inch by inch!

bigmonkey2382 said:

I still don't like that idea. Mongol land should only be held by the mongols themselves. Knowing that most likely won't happen. A good dream however..

[txt]

bigmonkey2382 said:

I still don't like that idea. Mongol land should only be held by the mongols themselves. Knowing that most likely won't happen. A good dream however..

What meant by Mongol lands?

For pan-Mongol, there are Mongol land.

For pan-Chinese, there are Chinese land.

For pan-Russian, there are Russian land.

[Bor Chono]

txt said:

What meant by Mongol lands?

It starts from Chinese Great Wall untill Sibiria(Mongols name is Shiver)

[leeli]

mongols took these lands by force and they were taken away by force. Sounds fair to me.

[greathun]

What messed up logic is this?

Aug 18, 2007 16:40:36 GMT 3 leeli said:

mongols took these lands by force and they were taken away by force. Sounds fair to me.

[nanman]

I think the logic was. If Mongolian and Manchurian tribes did not conquer lands beyond the wall by force, these Han bogeymen would not had evolved into waving their guns outside the wall. Its twisted and its crazy. Wouldn't the world be a better place if Mongolia just rule China instead. We can all submit to the Great Kaan and no more arguments.

Back to the original purpose of this thread. I don't think the Jin or Tanguts ever controlled areas that is today's Republic of Mongolia, they controlled some parts of what is todays Inner Mongolia. The Jin was the very dynasty in Northern China that Chinghis conquered in his China campaign. The Tanguts is well if you meant the Xi Xia.

The Tanguts Xi Xia were actually a sinified Tibetan empire. After some deciphering of their ancient language researchers have come to a conclusion that it is a Tibetan like language using new characters based on Chinese characters. It was originally thought they were a sinified Mongolic empire. I have recently been intrigued by reading about them, amazing stuff.

[Subu'atai]

mongols took these lands by force and they were taken away by force. Sounds fair to me.

I think the logic was. If Mongolian and Manchurian tribes did not conquer lands beyond the wall by force, these Han bogeymen would not had evolved into waving their guns outside the wall. Its twisted and its crazy. Wouldn't the world be a better place if Mongolia just rule China instead. We can all submit to the Great Kaan and no more arguments.

Chinese;

Be THANKFUL that your nation was invaded, because if not - this would have continued, and women would have continued to suffer under Chinese civilisation:

Absolutely disgusting, some "culture"

It takes a nomad to fight another nomad, considering the Manchus are sinified already, once your lands are lost - there is NO chance of you ever regaining them again.