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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 10, 2008 0:56:19 GMT 3
Well, what about Northern- and Southern-America, Sicily, Spain...
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Post by ALTAR on Dec 10, 2008 1:29:42 GMT 3
that's bullnuts, racial pureness does not exist, it does not exist in the Steppe and it does not exist in the 20th century. the Steppe is the least pure region in the whole world due to the nature of Steppe Nomads who moved form one place to the other and stole and bred with captured women. to claim Steppe people are pure is like claiming rivers don't flow! and what exactly is "pure" anyways? like inbreeding? do you know how inbreds look like? I used these pictures for answering the Turkishness Question of Sarmat as an example. I have no comment like All people or steppe nomads are pure. I talked about Turks and Turkishness. When two Germans married so their kids are pure German. Are you called them inbreeds too ;D And correct your arrogant and sarcastic words ! You can be opposite of mine but you have no right to abuse or attack me.
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Post by ALTAR on Dec 10, 2008 1:34:29 GMT 3
I complitely agree. Racial purity is useless nonsense. The one who practices it will end up with imbreeding and genetic disorders. Good example is Ashkenazi Jews who have a number of crazy diseases which are only specific to them and developed due to the desire to keep "racial purity" which of course resulted in inbreeding. My impression is that Nomadic people these natural laws very well, that's why they by all means avoided the marriages within their own clans and tried to get women from other clans or steal them from their enemies. I dont use it about racial purity or genetics. I only want to show similarities of Turkic people who are from different regions. Nomadic people of the steppes were mainly Proto Turkic and Proto Mongolian communities. They have closer relations and genes. They fight, married in each other.
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Post by ALTAR on Dec 10, 2008 1:42:30 GMT 3
Wow, those photos are interesting. Where did you get them? *edit* By the way, is this supposed to be a serious discussion? I don't want to get into a useless argument. I'd rather agree to disagree. I'll just sum up my position by saying I agree with Temujin. If that Tsengel Tuvan girl is supposed to be representative of a "racially pure Turk" then I suppose that means all Turks are Scythian-Mongol mutts? Hey, maybe that ain't far from the truth? I find Ataturk picture from the net. Just using google. Take the sweet Tuvan girl from Chinahistory forum. I think its the best answer to some mangroels and enemy propaganda about bullnuts comparisons btwn Turkishness of Central Asian and Turks of Turkey. Simple and impressive...
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Post by hjernespiser on Dec 10, 2008 3:07:11 GMT 3
Wow, those photos are interesting. Where did you get them? *edit* By the way, is this supposed to be a serious discussion? I don't want to get into a useless argument. I'd rather agree to disagree. I'll just sum up my position by saying I agree with Temujin. If that Tsengel Tuvan girl is supposed to be representative of a "racially pure Turk" then I suppose that means all Turks are Scythian-Mongol mutts? Hey, maybe that ain't far from the truth? I find Ataturk picture from the net. Just using google. Take the sweet Tuvan girl from Chinahistory forum. I think its the best answer to some mangroels and enemy propaganda about bullnuts comparisons btwn Turkishness of Central Asian and Turks of Turkey. Simple and impressive... I've seen the Tsengel Tuvan girl photo before. I was asking about the blond haired black kids. Sorry that I wasn't clear. The blond haired black kids impressed me more than the Tsengel Tuvan girl. There's a lot of Tuvans that look quite Native American too. It is true though that photos like that can challenge anyone's ideas about what constitutes race. I understand what you're trying to say. The misunderstanding lies in using the words "racial purity" because that can mean different things to different people. Most people see it as something with regards to an unobtainable ideal of genetic purity and using those words can make people jump on that without reading any further explanation. BTW, the Amish (who are German) ARE inbred! So yea, given enough time if enough Germans marry only Germans, they'll have genetic diseases too...
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Post by hjernespiser on Dec 10, 2008 3:07:47 GMT 3
Well, what about Northern- and Southern-America, Sicily, Spain... Check out Hawaii.
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Post by Subu'atai on Dec 10, 2008 7:34:57 GMT 3
Racial purity is for Nazis and Americans, let the disease of racialism itself be quarantined there. It has no place on the steppes.
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Dec 10, 2008 9:26:08 GMT 3
I agree with Temu:jin on this one.
We need to move away from thought patterns based on race (i.e. racialism) and towards thought patterns based on political citizenship.
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Post by ALTAR on Dec 10, 2008 11:18:58 GMT 3
I've seen the Tsengel Tuvan girl photo before. I was asking about the blond haired black kids. Sorry that I wasn't clear. The blond haired black kids impressed me more than the Tsengel Tuvan girl. There's a lot of Tuvans that look quite Native American too. It is true though that photos like that can challenge anyone's ideas about what constitutes race. I understand what you're trying to say. The misunderstanding lies in using the words "racial purity" because that can mean different things to different people. Most people see it as something with regards to an unobtainable ideal of genetic purity and using those words can make people jump on that without reading any further explanation. BTW, the Amish (who are German) ARE inbred! So yea, given enough time if enough Germans marry only Germans, they'll have genetic diseases too... I also used Tsengel Tuvan girl in one of the old topics. I'm glad that finally one person understands my point. Thank you. However, I dont think to change my words because of a few reactions. Misunderstoods can be solved easily with dialogues. I'm always ready to explain, just asking Amish ;D So marginal group. but funny guys ;D So than banining Germans marriage with Germans for taking measures to genetic diseases in the future ;D
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 10, 2008 12:09:05 GMT 3
Racial purity is for Nazis and Americans, let the disease of racialism itself be quarantined there. It has no place on the steppes. Americans are last people to talk about racial purity. ;D Well, if someone believes to racial purity that does not makes him/her to Nazi. Jews believes to racial purity, North Korea believes too and Pol Pot believed and ultra-Hutus and many others... About that inbreeding thing and genetic diseases: How it is then possible that Iceland has no those problems.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 10, 2008 13:12:06 GMT 3
Enough with this race talk. That makes me sick. The Qaġan orders silence, and advises every single member to re-read our Yasaq (Regulations), especially these rules: I did not write these rules for fun. Rules exist to be obeyed. This is not the first time I have seen here members of the Staff having bad-language arguments with each other. I do not want any such arguments in my place. I want everyone here, including me myself, to obey to the Yasaq of SHF!
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Post by Bor Chono on Dec 19, 2008 16:58:56 GMT 3
If a Mongol guy managed to steel a turk girl the guy will be called a hero! Cuz the guy need to deal with guarding men & dogs. Also creaming girl! ;D But it is likely he and his new wife will be abandoned if guy`s tribe is not powerful enough for a war. I heard that abandoned ppl are called "Uurt duriin"="By own will". They live in wild. Hide from large groups. But sometimes gather as bandit groups. They are quite powerful because they live in wild. Also I heard that Uurt duriin ppl helped young Temujin in his early battles. These guys wanted freedom like marrige & divorse, religious...etc. I mean they were heavyly mixed ones! What if you born with hairy face or red hair or pink eye! what are you going to do!? You are disliked! But you must live!
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