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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 16, 2008 23:28:33 GMT 3
I could not find the word in pre-Uyġur texts. Maybe it existed because 8th-century inscriptions from the Orkhon Uyġurs have this word but the inscriptions from the Türk (Tujue 突厥) Qaġanate do not contain the word; it is possible that even if it was used in the pre-Uyġur period, it was not that popular, because there were other words used for "ancestor".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 3:18:36 GMT 3
Tell me Atilla's real name and I'll use that, untill then we use 'Atilla' or don't mention him at all. As for the other names mentioned we know their original names. It's probably Ätil. Don't you read the posts? You said "probably", but is there any proof of this?
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Nov 18, 2008 9:02:25 GMT 3
Nope. The Huns didn't have any writing of their own, so we only know the name of Attila as others wrote it down: Romans, Goths, Byzantines, etc. We can only make educated guesses as to the origins of the name Attila, and by the looks of it, Atyl, the Turkic word for river/water/etc. seems to be the best guess.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 18, 2008 22:10:23 GMT 3
don't think so, see my post, specifically this: the point is, his name (or at least the germanic name) is something like at(a) + ila, not atil + a.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 2:19:35 GMT 3
I see.
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 22, 2008 1:10:57 GMT 3
Backing up what Temujin wrote, Etzel is unique to High German. It reflects a sound change that occurred in other High German words too. One of the reasons we know this is because the name in Old Norse is Atli. So the name and saga traveled to the Norse in this form before the sound change took place in High German.
Check out "The Night Attila Died" by philologist Michael Babthingy
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 1, 2009 1:23:06 GMT 3
In one of his recently-published books, Prof. Dr. Saadettin Gömeç proposed that Attila's real name might have been Ata Illig (something like "Father Ruler"; Illig means "Owner of Realm" in Old Turkic).
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Post by Asparuh on Jun 30, 2009 22:09:14 GMT 3
Hello, I know that probably the name of Attila comes from the river Itil. I will use the moment to ask if anybody knows where comes the name of his wife N'KARA ? Is that has something to do with the Turkish capital- Ankara ?
.Bye.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 1, 2009 17:00:05 GMT 3
I don't think so, Ankara comes from Greek Ankyra.
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Post by Modu Tanhu on Sept 17, 2011 2:42:50 GMT 3
According to a site BEHINDTHENAME
ATTILA GENDER: Masculine USAGE: History, Hungarian PRONOUNCED: ə-TIL-ə (English) [key] Meaning & History Means "little father" from Gothic atta "father" combined with a diminutive suffix. This was the name of a 5th-century leader of the Huns who invaded and ravaged Europe before finally being slowed down at the Battle of the Catalaunian Plains in Gaul. Attila was the name given to him by his Gothic-speaking subjects in eastern Europe; his real name may have been Avithohol. Related Names See All Relations Show Family Tree VARIANT: Etele (Hungarian) FEMININE FORM: Etelka (Hungarian) OTHER LANGUAGES: Etzel (Germanic Mythology)
Avithohol is just ABSURD.
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Post by ancalimon on Sept 17, 2011 4:00:48 GMT 3
I don't think so, Ankara comes from Greek Ankyra. And it meant a ship's anchor. Pretty cool way to name a city. I will name one of my landlocked Viking cities in Civilization as "Captain's Cabin"
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 17, 2011 14:58:44 GMT 3
Avitohol is the name of Attila in the medieval Bulgarian list of ancient Bulgarian kings who trace the origins of the Dulo Dynasty that established the Bulgarian Kingdom back to Attila.
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Post by Ardavarz on Sept 18, 2011 2:01:06 GMT 3
I am not sure about that. In the List of Bulgarian kings Avitohol is mentioned immediately before Attila's son Irnik/Hernac, but to him is given some fantastic long lifespan - 300 years. This sends him back to mid-2nd century and a ruler (legendary or not) is usually marked with the beginning, not the end of his rule. So it seems more plausible that Avitohol was not Attila himself but some half-legendary ancestor probably related to the original Central Asian homeland. The name itself could mean "Father's Son" (abït-oghul) and thus it may be a nickname too. (I found also that in Mongolian it could mean something like "father accident" but this doesn't make sense ;D). I have speculated that it may be related to the Hephtalites (Abdel, Ebodalo) and their eponym-ancestor. And if I remember correctly F. Altheim has already suggested some genetic conncection between European Huns and Hephtalites.
From the other hand, according to "Jagfar Tarihï" the personal name of Attila was Audan.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 18, 2011 11:20:47 GMT 3
Hmmm never looked at it from that perspective, interesting.
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Post by Modu Tanhu on Sept 18, 2011 18:06:07 GMT 3
d**n those proto-Turks why didn't they just write SOMETHING. It wouldn't leave us all so confused
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