Post by sarmat on May 27, 2010 0:31:02 GMT 3
Well you gave yourself the answer: you just think not bothering go to Afganistan or testing the gene pool they are hardly descendants of ancient Bactrians.
Who are the descendants of the ancient Bactrians then, my friend?
Specifically, please specify what is the "Bactian genetic marker" and where are blond, fair "modern Bactrians" are hiding?
you managed to see them with colors. No my Russian friend there's no color for you to distingusih again the hair or eye color of the Achaemenids through bas reliefs very surprising how you did it though, besides it was done by the Assyrian and Babylonian artists I wonder how you can compare them so precisely with the modern looks of all Iranians?!
I think the color survived on some images, I'll check that information though. And how does the fact that Babylonian artists did it changes anything? Aren't they were supposed to depict what they saw, or in you understanding, they were supposed to depict anyone only as a "Babylonian like" ?
How come disputable?! any way again I think what you perceive of the Achaemnid empire is somehow vague and generic. The Bactrians subdued to Achaemenid rule but in fact they were like an ally and their aspects of life never got dominated by Persians, they were just people of the same background and shared some similarities yet had their differences. I think it is high probable again for her to have had such fair features and as Alanus said, the naming could also had been a reason why for doing so that's all. No implication, just probability.
Doesn't the fact that Roxanne is a Persian name used now by Persians suggests something in that regard in terms of Bactrian-Persian cultural relations? And, again, "high probable" or "could also have been" is not "was." All of those are just theories and I don't agree with these theories. That's it.
For many reasons parents give name to their children but among which is also included that they just think that its cute. Daylight clear!. But how you are comapring the Bactrian traditions of the time with Jews just because they were living in parts of Persian empire is not usual for me.
Well. You still failed to give me any example of how exactly Bactrians were naming their children, while I gave a documented example how other Bactrian "compatriots" named their children. Anybody can make their own conclusions based on what both of us provided...
No Aryan wasn't and is not just name of linguistic family. many proto eastern Indo- europeans tended to use the ethnonym "Aryan" to describe themselves and people which is reflected in their ancient cultural legacy. The Indo-Iranian is the lingual branch you were talking about. And again and again fair and blond people among Aryans - though Aryans underwent many contacts and intermarriages through their migrations- weren't confined just to northern branches like nomads of the steppes moreover the complexion and the skull along other anthropological traits were marker of Indo-Iranian culture in the regions they migrated.
Name "Aryan" comes from Iranian and Indian sources only. And to say that it's a "generic name used by all Eastern Indo-Europeans by themselves" is simply not true. Cause we don't know exactly how they called themselves...
I suppose to understand why you say why "conventional historical science", yet that's mostly archaelogical and its not conventional, and many findings accidentally done mostly by the Russian achaeologists. So Sarmatians aren't just believed to be Iranian merely after analyzing sources like Herodotus' but archaeologically they belonged to the IE people. About Bulgars and Macedonians their different stories comparing to Poles or Czechs I think you might have your own hypothesis but as for Aryans it is certain they were diverse due to migrations but they still owned to some extent their previous aspects.
There are many similarities between Sarmatian and Turkic and Hunnish arecheology. But it's not the topic of our discussion anyway. Moreover, we are discussing here not the IE people but Bactrians, who even according to your own theories could have been mixed with other more southern tribes and lost their alleged "Aryan" "fair" features.
but I do believe that as a general matter the outlook of the modern inhabitants of the ancient region of Bactria hasn't changed that much.
You have your own respectable views, maybe all you may need is to go and visit Afganistan for the second time.
I don't believe that my visit to Afghanistan would change much at all. All that I would see is just the abudance of the people with dark features and very minimal persentage of "fair" guys. And I don't understand how that helps your cause...