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Post by arnewise12 on Oct 30, 2008 0:01:47 GMT 3
why didnt the oghuz turkifie the whole iraq and iran, they did some parts of iran and iraq but not like in anatolia and central asia were all it got turkified
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Oct 30, 2008 4:34:33 GMT 3
It wasn't that easy while they were thinking of more fertile lands to settle in which laid in far west. As you can see that the province of Azarbaygan were more populated than any other places by newcomers. The fact is also to be noted that one of the reasons of invading Iranian lands was its numerous big cities and its own benefits, therefore there were notable multi-ethnical presence in almost every big cities of Iran (like Esfahan, Nishapur, Rayy etc.) when Seljuks finally took the power from the remanants of Iranian dispersed local dynasties. But the thing is that as result of various interbreeding amongst populations of cities and at the same time adopting Persian as the lingua franca., the Seljuk presence in some cities like Esfahan was no more distinguishable centuries later yet in most rigid lands of Iran there were no or a slight Turkic presence even by the time of Seljuks.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 30, 2008 22:26:30 GMT 3
Dear Azadan has explained it very well. The short answer would be that there just were not enough Oghuz tribesmen to Turkify Iraq and entire Iran unlike what happened in Azerbaijan and Anatolia.
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Post by tadamson on Dec 8, 2008 17:00:19 GMT 3
Plus they didn't control Iran for that long.
After they allied with the Ghurids to destroy the Ghaznavid Sultanate, the Ghurids took the lions share.
Tom..
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Dec 10, 2008 15:08:44 GMT 3
Yes they didn't manage to control Iran for long but their presence continued somehow. Of course they made principal changes on course of the history of Iran like fortifying and reestablishing caliphal policies in Iranian lands, a matter that Caliphs had turned out quite unsuccessful about before.
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Post by tadamson on Dec 10, 2008 19:00:35 GMT 3
I don't understand what you mean by this?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 10, 2008 21:23:52 GMT 3
The Saljūqid (Seljuk) Turks removed the Shiite Buyids from power and re-established the charisma of the Sunni 'Abbāsid Caliphate.
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Post by ALTAR on Dec 10, 2008 21:35:57 GMT 3
Seljuk Sultan Tugrul Beg married with Abbasid Caliphate's daughter after destroying Buyyid Dynasty. But he didn't have any successor. After his death, his nephew Alparslan inherited to the Seljuk Throne.
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Dec 13, 2008 21:02:48 GMT 3
I was trying to explain the importance of the migration of Seljuk Turkmens in history of Iran though its brief duration. But of course apart from the religious point of view which you pointed out , the Seljuks were important in introducing a Turkish system of state e.g. Atabegs with its rapid dissolution to regional Atabeg states. And also after Seljuk's coming to the aid of Arab caliphs their reign saw little Iranian resistent movements like those of before their arrivals but only the Ismailis. Thus it is an important era in history of Iran.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 13, 2008 23:36:13 GMT 3
Plus, we should not forget the numerous big Seljuk monuments in Iran, especially in Esfahan  |
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Jan 10, 2009 5:13:37 GMT 3
City of Esfahan is a carpet of various monuments and is mostly noted for those built in the Safavid era. Seljuks in fact built many buildings in in the cities they chose to settle. Actually the economies in cities in middle Iran enjoyed some temporary flourishing due to a sudden unification while some cities in Khurasan like Neshapur though not being fully sacked by Oghuz waves, existed superficially and lost their importance at the end of the Seljuk reign only to be sacked some decades later at the hands of Mongols. Actually Seljuk specific way of governance is their most notable legacy to middle east, whose defect paved the powerful and sometimes disobedient local governors led to the dissolution of their empire and changing the face of middle east for hundreds of years and it was during all this time - especially the rise and the fall of the Seljuk empire - that the first notable Oghuz migration happened into the middle east . The same reason again gave the local rulers an opportunity to establish rival local dynasties (most prominent and short-lived of which are Kharazmshahids), and also to freely acting, some even led to destruction of the entire kingdom of Kharazmids and much of Iran only due to actions of a wiley local governor.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jan 10, 2009 9:31:39 GMT 3
Esfahan is also noted as the city where the Esfahan Codex originated from. This supposed document details the language of the European Huns and proves without a doubt that the Huns spoke a different form of Magyar... *cough*cough*
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 10, 2009 14:34:30 GMT 3
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Jan 11, 2009 12:37:25 GMT 3
That mosque is simply amazing! So beautiful!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 11, 2009 20:55:21 GMT 3
Indeed, it is  |
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