A Tigin must marry a Gunj(=Qonchuy)?

[Bor Chono]

Let`s talk & anwer the question! ;D

There always been a casts. Marriges between 2 differents casts -it right or wrong?

[Saran]

Well, it's been a big issue over the centuries. But frankly, I don't support the idea of marriages between different classes (I'm too conservative, I know). Prince + Princess, aristocrat + aristocrat, teacher + teacher, shoemaker + shoemaker etc. ;D

[Bor Chono]

Now It is my headache!

[Temüjin]

what is a Gunj (Qonchuy)?

[aca]

temujin said:

what is a Gunj (Qonchuy)?

Qonchuy/qunchuy = Princess in old Turkic

[dilisang]

Many new empires have been build by people surrounded not by their family or caste, but humble people being excellent fighters. What counted was strength, not family ties.

E.g. Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, Pizarro.

A group of determined and equal men set up for high goals and made the impossible possible, and then their families lived from the fruits these men have earned.

Equality means strength, caste system only maintaining a status quo, in the end decadence.

[Temüjin]

Genghis and Alexander were both of noble descendance

[dilisang]

temujin said:

Genghis and Alexander were both of noble descendance

Pizarro was a nobleman, too.

But Genghis's family was really poor and without influence after his father had been poisened. His first companions weren't noblemen. He was a self-made man.

Alexander the Great and Pizarro started their expeditions already with other noblemen, overall Alexander. But they didn't fight wars, they ran expeditions far away from home. Family ties meant nothing.

The cell of many dynasties were not families but groups of young men. The martial history of many former unknown tribes began with such groups of young men, too. These groups had the determinedness, discipline and martial effectiveness to overcome an already established and more powerful enemy.

When they have had already established a dynasty, then family ties came into play.

[tengrikut]

it doesnt matter in my opinion. because race comes from father and if your father is a Tigin, you will born as a nobleman even whatever is your mother.

anyway, in other situations, class differences might make problems, but there is no necassarities that you must marry to a person in your class.

bor chono, why is your headache?

[Bor Chono]

I`m not a nobleman but my parents don`t admit my choice

They say she is from poor family, not educated, even not pretty! But for me she is my Gunj

[Saran]

^Chono, your wife looks nice. She can be no pretty, no rich and not educated, but she's your wife and the mother of your child. You chose her and it's your life. She isn't married to your parents and that's the deal. Don't spend your nerves on this, OK?

If I married someone not educated, from lower class than me, not rich etc my mom'd cut my head off. I'd be the disgrace of my whole relatives and family .

[kokturk]

IMHO, this status is very important. "Ýtten it, kurttan kurt doðar.", a Turkish saying. It's translated as: "Dog's child is dog, wolf's child is wolf.". It means, if your parents are good peple, you will be good too. But if your parents are notthat good, you will not be a good man.

Ourglorious ancestors knew the science of genetics.

[Bor Chono]

kokturk said:

Ourglorious ancestors knew the science of genetics.

I know the rules :
Your next generation must be bigger/taller & stronger than U so U need to choose strong healthy women.(=like Monsters in fairy tales) Set of teeth & eye sight is very important.(here in asia shape of ears & shape of palm are important)
And the family status must be high atleast 3 generation.(=hard working ppl)...etc

[Bor Chono]

saran said:

^Chono, your wife looks nice. She can be no pretty, no rich and not educated, but she's your wife and the mother of your child. You chose her and it's your life. She isn't married to your parents and that's the deal. Don't spend your nerves on this, OK?

If I married someone not educated, from lower class than me, not rich etc my mom'd cut my head off. I'd be the disgrace of my whole relatives and family .

Thanks Saran.
The problem is we are not married cuz she is refusing! She keep saying when our daughter get older(2 or 3) I will go to my mother. Now her mother & sister & brother work in Hungary. I can lose her cuz if she go she will stay there more than 5 years(=she said!). & my mother says : "Nice idea my daughter!"

[H. İhsan Erkoç]

I gave my vote to "Yes!".

By the way, my dear Bor Chono Yabghu, very cute baby!