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Post by hulagu on Jun 27, 2008 1:35:10 GMT 3
What do you think of it ?
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 27, 2008 1:40:54 GMT 3
Foreigners won't let it happen cause they remember what happened everytime we were united. As nomads however the main principle way of unity is through warfare. Unfortunately, in the modern world, foreigners will NOT keep their noses out of our business.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 27, 2008 13:54:52 GMT 3
That is impossible under today's circumstences.
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Post by Temüjin on Jun 27, 2008 18:46:19 GMT 3
not really. but there is another big problem, not all tribes will agree with this, look at history, there are always disagreeances or foreign powers manipulating one tribe vs the other. only when those differences can be overcome from the within, there is nothing in the way of a common confederacy.
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Post by nanman on Jun 28, 2008 0:23:53 GMT 3
All the problems are politically related dominated by various Russian, Chinese imperialism exaserbated by some infighting. Without which beyond the political divisions even people from afar can be with Altaic unity in spirit.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 28, 2008 0:58:53 GMT 3
I had a dream once of an Altaic Federation but reality is that we simply aren't democratic. The problem with steppe cultures is that our way is far from democratic - we only follow who is worthy to lead - one people, one leader. Democracies corrupt our governments and we end up with the same problems as sedentary cultures as we lost more and more of our roots.
The Mongol Empire united majority of the Altai but after our great leader's death it fragmented continously to the point it's almost impossible to re-unite. Foreigners have learnt the weakness of steppe culture - division, as always we are our own worst enemies. While they have learnt to exploit this, we have not learnt to overcome it as of yet.
History shows our power, as well as how foreigners have used our power then claim it as their own. There is still Altaic unity somewhat, if only faint. We still see each other as cousins, though we are far from re-union. Religion also becomes a dividing factor.
The best thing we can do is take small steps, educate and discuss our combined history, learn to compromise on traditions, and perhaps one day... we can see the people born from the Altai re-united into a new world superpower. The sedentary world is not fit to rule the world, I've learnt this fact, I've seen countless human idiocies, confusions, hatreds, disharmony, and patheticness in this world that have never been there during the age of Altaic power.
One day perhaps, but not the present, small steps are needed. But progressive.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 28, 2008 14:14:02 GMT 3
Yes, look at the European Union
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jun 29, 2008 0:47:15 GMT 3
Yes, look at the European Union It does not work... Only thing what my country has got from EU are gipsies from romanian polluting our streets.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 29, 2008 0:50:59 GMT 3
^ Ahahaha lol ;D
EU is democratic, we are not - while they fail we shall succeed... I hope heh
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jun 29, 2008 14:28:41 GMT 3
^ Ahahaha lol ;D EU is democratic, we are not - while they fail we shall succeed... I hope heh Are we democratic? Some opinions are illegal in many EU countries and for example my friend is soon going to prison over 2 years, only for his opinions. Yes, he might be a Nazi, but he has not made anything illegal according Finnish laws. That is not a democracy.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 29, 2008 15:28:33 GMT 3
Nazi? How so?
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jun 29, 2008 15:48:51 GMT 3
Well, better say that he is Finnish ultranationalist who hates jews. So, we can call him a Nazi. ;D And no, he does not want to kill all other people etc. He has just opinions what are not acceptable in EU.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 29, 2008 16:04:51 GMT 3
Hahaha I see
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Post by ryukyurhymer on Jun 30, 2008 13:10:55 GMT 3
How about a common language?
the EU is made up of multiple cultures and languages, but whether some people (like the French) like to admit or not, English is the main language that moves the EU and for the most part, most Europeans can speak English.
China's dialects (which are more like languages that are related), are usually not intelligible with other dialects Some one from Hong Kong (China's richest area) speak their own dialect, and when they communicate with some one from Shanghai (another rich area) that has their own dialect.. they have to use yet a 3rd dialect (Mandarin). The CCP knew that in order to foster better unity and a cohesive identity as one, they needed to promote a common language.. which is Mandarin. I'm quite sure those Shanghai and HK people have their pride and love their language but now they all can speak Mandarin and communicate with other areas.
So what about the Altaic people? between all the altaic peoples, it seems that Turkish is the most widely spoken. In fact you probably would have more Turkish speaking people, than if you combined all the other Turkic ethnicities, as well as Mongolic speakers! maybe Finno-Uralic too. But will a Mongol or Kazakh accept learning Turkish? It seems that so far, the lingua franca is still Russian for m ost of the Altaic peoples
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 30, 2008 13:41:36 GMT 3
You're jumping ahead but anyways
Mongols had Russian as their second language for quite some time, already many are changing their 2nd language to English however. To change this to Turkic will severe ties to the Slavic world and the Western world as well as the Sino world - so Mongols have to be sure that other Altaics are serious before they even talk about such a thing.
Also Mongols have a tendency to look down on Sunni Islam - as well as many rejecting the notion of Altai unity. They reject any link at all to Turkish, or even Kazaks and Kyrgyz. Deep inside they, like other Altaics, know of the relations with each other - but do not openly want to admit it. Mongols reject being related to Turkish, Turkish reject being related to Mongols. Division on both ends of the Altai.
Altai unity is a feat for a Khaan
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