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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 21, 2006 14:44:27 GMT 3
Let us discuss about the Wusun people who lived in Yedisu (Semirechie) during the Xiongnu period.
What do you think their origins were? Pre-Indo-European aborigines? Turkics? Iranics? Which language did they speak? Are there any lingual studies on the language of the Wusun? Which words are recorded from their language (I only know Kunmo [probably Kün Bäg, a title in Turkic meaning "Sun Lord"], the title used by Wusun rulers)?
What were their physical appearences?
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Sept 21, 2006 23:15:47 GMT 3
I knew (not being sure) their hair was red.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 21, 2006 23:58:08 GMT 3
Ah yes, Chinese sources describe them as having red or yellow hair, if I remember correctly.
Are thre any archaeological evidences to support these records?
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 22, 2006 6:50:26 GMT 3
Check the big map on the Qazaq Tribes topic. Almost all of the Senior juz (except the tribes of Jalayır and Qañlı) belong to the confederation called Üysin, which are considered to be the descendants of ancient Wusun. Üysin is almost the synonym of the Senior juz (Ulı jüz), which comprises the territory of Jetisu (south-eastern Kazakstan).
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 22, 2006 6:52:37 GMT 3
Ancient Üysin3-1 centuries BCE Taldıqorğan region in Jetisu. Reconstruction by Shayahmetov
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 22, 2006 6:59:34 GMT 3
The same Üysin and some other Saka and Sarmatian reconstructions Reconstructions by M.Gerasimov, G. Lebedinskaya, T. Balueva, etc.
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Post by Atabeg on Sept 22, 2006 21:31:32 GMT 3
Ah yes, Chinese sources describe them as having red or yellow hair, if I remember correctly. Are thre any archaeological evidences to support these records? aren't those caucasian features?
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Sept 22, 2006 21:39:50 GMT 3
I don't know genetics, maybe our friend Kokturk can help, where does these red hair genes come from? If some of the people in tribe are blonde and if some have dark hair, then can the next generations have red hair?
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Post by Temüjin on Sept 22, 2006 22:51:06 GMT 3
red hair is usual feature of celtic tribes. i for example have red beard, green eyes and freckles, i look more irish than germanic but it is not surprising because southern germany was the homeland of the ancient celts.
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Post by bigmonkey2382 on Jan 14, 2007 23:39:10 GMT 3
Red hair I beleive is a mutation of the blonde hair gene..I'm a half breed mongolian-american..but thank SOMEONE for giving me black hair.
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Post by dilisang on Jan 15, 2007 0:40:11 GMT 3
If I remember right, then there is one substance that forms red hair, and another one that forms black hair. If you mix them then you'll get blond hair.
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Post by kokturk on Jan 15, 2007 1:28:16 GMT 3
The genes for red hair, black-brown hair and blond hair are different variants of the same genes. The most dominant phenotype is black-brown hair and the most recessive one is red hair. So, if you have both red and black hair genes, your hair will be nearer to black than red. Ýf you have blond and red hair genes your hair will be something between blond and red.
Red hair is very rare among the Altaic people. AFAIK only incidence among the Chuvash Bulgars is higher than the other Altaics. The Wusun may be the ancestors or relatives of the Bulgars.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 15, 2007 21:18:19 GMT 3
I think that the Oghurs were the descendents of the Western D¨©ngl¨ªng ¶¡Áã.
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Post by kokturk on Jan 15, 2007 23:33:22 GMT 3
Can Dinglings be ancestors of both Oghurs and Wusun? Or, maybe Wusun are a part of the Dinglings.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 16, 2007 3:52:41 GMT 3
Hmm I haven't seen any sources talking about similarities or connections between the two peoples
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