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Post by tadamson on Aug 1, 2005 14:44:33 GMT 3
I've not seen much on burial practice recently, thoiugh there are a steady stream of Xiongnu burial finds.
rgds. Tom..
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 17, 2005 12:39:47 GMT 3
In Mongolian language word:`Hun` means `Human, Humanity`. Chinese don`t have good ability to spell other languages! Xiongnu (Hsiung-nu) also Hongnu (Hung-nu) is Mongolian Hun-nu. (nu -is : Hun=human, if you add /nu/(-now it is /ni/) it becomes Hun+nu=human`s or humanity`s). Sorry I`m not good at English. Also word `Ulus=state, country`comes from Mongolian words : Uul=mountan, Us=water,river - Uul+us=Ulus. About Hungary and Bolgary. Mongols call these countries : Hun-gar, Bol-gar. Gar=side,arm. Did you know that there is also Uigurs (Mongols call it Ui-gar) OK?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 20, 2005 17:55:09 GMT 3
Ulus probably comes from a Turkic word also found in the Gök Türk inscriptions: Ulush. Besides, Ulu means "Grand" in Turkic (don't tell me it also comes from Mongolic ). Hungary comes from On Oghur in Turkic (Ten Tribes). Bulgar means "Mixed" and comes from Bulgha-, "To Mix" in Turkic. Uyghur possibly means "Allies" in Old Turkic. Btw, isn't Uyghur Uighur/Uiur in Mongolian? That's how it's written in my SHoM.
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 21, 2005 8:17:27 GMT 3
You know!, the English language!-you write something and spell it different. So does old Mongolian script. we wrote "Abu" and spelled it "Aav" You speak in old Mongolian, thanks...Old Mongolian is like Turk language. If your "Ulu" is "Grand" We have "Ulumj"="Gig,Grand,Many...something very very..." I don`t understand one thing! We Mongols have many many words like Turk words, with same meanings. Why people call them Turk word? I heard that "Huyak,Huyag=Armor" is Turk word? For Mongols Hun+gary sounds like "Human side"="Hun`s side" or just "people who are the real Huns" As for Bolgary...Hmm...We have word "Bool" means "Servant,-Old Mongols didn`t have the meaning SLAVE". now "Bool" can be translated into "Slave". In English word "BOOL" can be just "Bol". So Bol+gary sounds like "Servant`s side"="People who are not real Huns" Ui can be "Ui olon"="Too many" so Ui+gary can be "the people who have too many tribes" or "side where too manies are" -it is all my thinking OK? Even today we call our country "MONGOL ULUS" there must be Mongols among Attila`s(=Adil`s) Huns
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 28, 2005 2:29:37 GMT 3
No, Armor in Old Turkic was Yarïq.
It's well know that Hungarian in English comes from Ungarn in German which definitially come from Turkic On Oghur (Ten Tribes).
But among the names belonging to the Huns included names from Turkic, Germanic and Iranic languages, but not from Mongolian (check Otto Maenchen-Helfen's works).
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Post by Bor Chono on Nov 28, 2005 8:33:30 GMT 3
Ok So what does -AMAR(=peaseful) mean? Bilge?(=inteligent) Timur(Tumur=Iron)? Just tell me some names of Huns. we translate Attilla as Adilla=the name of river Ijil=the Bolga.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 29, 2005 13:36:17 GMT 3
Give me an example please.
Bilge = Wise
Temür or Teymür is Iron.
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Post by asiaticus on Aug 25, 2006 0:03:45 GMT 3
The Huns-Xiongnu identity is far from certain. I think here everybody can say his thought but they are only thoughts. Mine is: a lot of linguistic finds point to a Xiongnu and Hun connection with Turkic. Furthermore there are the ancient Sogdian letters who speak of xwn where the history, we know, would speak of Xiongnu (196 d.C. [Harmatta position] or 313 d.C. , W. B henning and others] . So, altough remaining with some uncertainty, I think of their identity as very possible. Furthermore Weishu< Beishi quotes the Xiongnu as conquerors of Sute = Sogdiana and we know that the country was conquered from the White Huns, the Hua, maybe *War of Liangshu who says that they had a king called something as yantailituo (I have not the proper spelling at hand!), i.e something as Hephtalita. The same country was called Wennasha = * Hun-na-sha (= sogd . Hun-nau-sha ? , i. e. ' The Hun nine shah [kings] ? or more simply ' Huna-shah, ' The Huna-shah' . Loriano Belluomini, Italy
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 25, 2006 0:08:49 GMT 3
Hi asiaticus, welcome to SHF
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 25, 2006 13:36:10 GMT 3
We understand : Huna =human Shah =king Ok. ;D If "Huna"+"shah"= Oops! "-Huna shah!" Ask any Mongol girl what is word "Huna shah"(or Hune shah) in Mongolian lang mean!. hehehe... ;D (ppl don`t ask me just post what U heared! ).
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 25, 2006 14:35:26 GMT 3
We understand : Huna =human Shah =king Ok. ;D If "Huna"+"shah"= Oops! "-Huna shah!" Ask any Mongol girl what is word "Huna shah"(or Hune shah) in Mongolian lang mean!. hehehe... ;D (ppl don`t ask me just post what U heared! ). come on Buur boovni us boschihloo! tell us what does it means ;D ;D
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 25, 2006 19:35:05 GMT 3
Hmm I think I got that ;D
LOL Bor Chono Shad, you are so nasty! ;D
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Post by asiaticus on Aug 25, 2006 22:04:34 GMT 3
Hi asiaticus, welcome to SHF Thankyou very much, Tigin qaghan.
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Post by Ermanaric, King of The Goths on Mar 26, 2008 14:31:02 GMT 3
It is worse when they say aht the Huns are not even Turkic; this is mainly ''Caucasoid'' racism, they cannot face the fact that the ''Scourge of God'' was a ''Mongoloid''; why don't they just stop believing in dividing racism and believe in one race (more correct).
I believe that the Huns are the Hsiung-Nu and I have found no good evidence to sway me from that believe; of course the Huns became a confederacy and at one point in Europe a great percentage of the Hunnic force was made up of Germanic warriors from the Gothic tribes the Ostrogoths and Gepids, but the origin and ancestry of Attila lies with the Hsiung-Nu.
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Oct 4, 2008 9:28:24 GMT 3
I personally am convinced by the connection, though there are definitely no grounds to say yes or no for sure.
When the European sources describe the Huns, it almost sounds like they're describing the Mongols. They are short and stocky with thin asian eyes, according to the Byzantines (Ammianus Marcellinus, Olympiodorus, Eunapius, etc) who fought them on the battlefield.
Also, would someone be able to explain the Sogdian letters and what the relevance is there?
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