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Post by Atabeg on Nov 4, 2013 14:06:14 GMT 3
I have an additional question for our khan. when you say ancient Kyrgyz do you mean the same as the Turkic kyrgyz or the one's in chinese records with red hair en green eyes (sounds like the yuezhi). A while ago I watched a documentary about the ancient budists of Central asia. The funny thing was they didn't know where they went. AFAIK they where absorbed into the Uyghur population right? It's funny how Uyghur Turkic(Eastern Turkic) and western Oghuz Turkic(Western Turkic)are more similar than say to Kazakh. It must be the Iranic influence on both?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 5, 2013 13:08:47 GMT 3
I mean the historical Yenisei Kyrgyz who lived in southern Siberia. During the Mongol and post-Mongol period, some of those Kyrgyz migrated to the Tienshan region and there they absorbed many native Turkic tribes to become the modern Kyrgyz of Kyrgyzstan. The remaining ones adopted the name Khakass in the late 19th-early 20th centuries (Khakass is reconstructed from Ha-ga-si, a version of the name found in Chinese sources describing the Yenisei Kyrgyz during the Tang Dynasty period of the 7th-9th centuries AD).
That is true. The native Tokharian and Iranic populations of the Tarim Basin were Turkified during the 9th-11th centuries following the Uyghur migration to the region.
That is true as well. Both Turkic languages got heavier Iranian lingual influence compared with Kazakh and Kyrgyz (those got that too but not on the same extent as the Oghuz and Uyghurs had). This is also related with sedentarism too.
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Post by Atabeg on Nov 5, 2013 13:14:33 GMT 3
I mean the historical Yenisei Kyrgyz who lived in southern Siberia. During the Mongol and post-Mongol period, some of those Kyrgyz migrated to the Tienshan region and there they absorbed many native Turkic tribes to become the modern Kyrgyz of Kyrgyzstan. The remaining ones adopted the name Khakass in the late 19th-early 20th centuries (Khakass is reconstructed from Ha-ga-si, a version of the name found in Chinese sources describing the Yenisei Kyrgyz during the Tang Dynasty period of the 7th-9th centuries AD). OMT It has been to long since i posted here. I had forgotten about the Yenesian Kyrgyz. What I wonder is how are the people from The Yenisei region classified as are they Altaic or not. I think there language is closely related to that of the lets call them Eskimo's you know who I mean. proto-Altaic or not?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 6, 2013 0:28:24 GMT 3
The Yenisei Kyrgyz were a Turkic people. They are not related with the so-called "Yeniseian Peoples" who constitute a totally different language group.
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