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Post by balamir on Nov 25, 2006 22:15:57 GMT 3
Here we can discuss it. Why western writers(and nearly all Greeks!But this is another story ý think=) generally don't want to accept(or they don't know,ý don't know the real reason =) Huns are Turkic?I read many book including phases about Huns written by Western writers and ý never saw a information about their Turk origins(and a few writers make them Mongol). Why?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 26, 2006 0:21:17 GMT 3
I guess you are asking about the European Huns, right? Because there are quiet a lot of "Western" (European-American) scholars who thought and think that the Xiongnu (Asiatic Huns) were Turkic, but there are fewer European-American scholars who think the European Huns were Turkic too. I do not know why this is so.
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 26, 2006 0:38:22 GMT 3
many western scholars don't considder Huns Turkic because Turks proper only appeared later, after Huns dissapeared. for them, Huns are simply "Hunnic"...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 26, 2006 1:07:28 GMT 3
Yes, that is the common misconception also found in works regarding Mongol history, especially those made in Turkey. Many people think the Mongols first appeared in the 6th-7th centuries (some even think 11th-12th) just because the name Mongghol (Mongol) first appeared around that time, as a Shiwei tribe. But this does not mean that Mongolic peoples did not exist before the name Mongol appeared; indeed, there were quiet a lot of Mongolic peoples who never used the name Mongol, and there were Mongolic peoples before the name Mongol came out. Same goes for the Turks, Celts, Germans and the like.
Many Europeans and Americans think that the Turks first appeared in the 6th century, being mis-led by the fact that the name Turk did not exist before that time. But remember that the name Türük/Türk (Turk) was originially the name of just one of the many Turkic peoples, commonly known in history as the Blue Turks, Gök Türks, Kök Türks, Tujue, etc... But there were Turkic peoples well before the Türük/Tujue/Blue Turk/whatever people appeared.
The name Mongol began used for the Mongolic peoples outside the Mongghol Ulus much later. The name Turk got it's current meaning during the 8th-9th centuries. It was around that time when people started to call other Turkic peoples Turk too. But remember that there were dozens of Turkic peoples well before the 6th century.
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Post by aca on Nov 26, 2006 14:00:17 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 26, 2006 15:30:54 GMT 3
Thank you I have that book
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Post by balamir on Nov 29, 2006 15:24:19 GMT 3
Yes, that is the common misconception also found in works regarding Mongol history, especially those made in Turkey. Many people think the Mongols first appeared in the 6th-7th centuries (some even think 11th-12th) just because the name Mongghol (Mongol) first appeared around that time, as a Shiwei tribe. But this does not mean that Mongolic peoples did not exist before the name Mongol appeared; indeed, there were quiet a lot of Mongolic peoples who never used the name Mongol, and there were Mongolic peoples before the name Mongol came out. Same goes for the Turks, Celts, Germans and the like. Many Europeans and Americans think that the Turks first appeared in the 6th century, being mis-led by the fact that the name Turk did not exist before that time. But remember that the name Türük/Türk (Turk) was originially the name of just one of the many Turkic peoples, commonly known in history as the Blue Turks, Gök Türks, Kök Türks, Tujue, etc... But there were Turkic peoples well before the Türük/Tujue/Blue Turk/whatever people appeared. The name Mongol began used for the Mongolic peoples outside the Mongghol Ulus much later. The name Turk got it's current meaning during the 8th-9th centuries. It was around that time when people started to call other Turkic peoples Turk too. But remember that there were dozens of Turkic peoples well before the 6th century. Well ý think this is the answer of my question.
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