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Post by Temüjin on Jan 20, 2008 23:43:28 GMT 3
i wonder if there is a connection between the Ashina clan and the Manchu ruling clan of Aisin Gioro? the names look alike...
Aisin Gioro means "Golden Clan" in Manchurian
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 21, 2008 2:02:41 GMT 3
Aisin meaning Gold in Manchu lookes related to Altun/Altan, rather than Ashina (Āshĭnà [A-shih-na] 阿史那 in Chinese, Ašnâs [Ashnaas] ﺍﺸﻨﺎﺱ in Arabic), whose original form is still unknown. Remember that the emperors of the Jürčen Jīn (Chin) 金 Dynasty were called Altan Qan by the Mongols. Even though Aisin might look similar to Ashina, there is no evidence to proove that Ashina means Gold.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jan 21, 2008 11:51:17 GMT 3
About Manchus, I wonder was that Abahai who changes nation name to Manchus and took name Qing instead of Later Jin, which was used by Nurhachi?
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 21, 2008 20:20:34 GMT 3
yes it was Abahai who changed the dynastical name to Qing. however the term Manchu was already used earlier by Nurhaci himself to unite all Jurzhen clans, similar to how Temujin "created" the Mongols.
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Post by Bor Chono on Jan 25, 2008 14:23:03 GMT 3
  Hmm...I believed that the Manchu noble family name was "Aizam Giolo" meaning something like "Steady Rider" ;D
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 25, 2008 21:09:32 GMT 3
you mean in Mongolian?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 25, 2008 21:48:03 GMT 3
Hmm...I believed that the Manchu noble family name was "Aizam Giolo" meaning something like "Steady Rider" ;D It is Aisin Gioro  |
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Post by Bor Chono on Feb 9, 2008 11:24:10 GMT 3
Some also call it "Aisanger" ;D |
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Post by nomadsoul on Apr 29, 2016 20:55:50 GMT 3
There were some Proto-Turkic tribes within Manju (Jurchen) eight-banner system (Jalan Gvsa)
We have tribes like Usun and Tatar, but I'm not sure about Asin-Gioro clan,
I think this theory was proposed by a Chinese historian Zhu Xueyuan
It's not impossible, but unlikely
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Post by Ado on May 11, 2016 18:19:27 GMT 3
MY best friend is mongolian i think...... .... ...... ...... ..... ....... ...... .....
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Post by nomadsoul on May 25, 2016 3:11:15 GMT 3
MY best friend is mongolian i think...... .... ...... ...... ..... ....... ...... ..... I'm Manchu (Jurchen), both my father and I have greens eyes, my grandfather had hazel-grey eyes and reddish brown hair my father side of family descent from Xumuru clan of Jurchen tribes bi oci manju niyalma, hala Xumuru (Sumule) gulu suwayan gvsa |
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