|
Post by kokturk on Jan 31, 2007 16:56:52 GMT 3
|
|
|
Post by altaicmongol on Jan 31, 2007 22:56:23 GMT 3
I am not denying the origins of the natural Turks that came to Anatolia about a millennium ago. The things is, most Turkish citizens are not true genetic descendants. Most studies put the figure of CA descent at about 9% while other liberal studies put it at 30%. Either way you see it, using the liberal numbers, 70% non-Turk is very high. This a good reason why many Turkish people do not call themselves as true Central Asian Turks and just as assimilated Europeans. I would agree, as 70% is a vast majority that is not Turkish descended.
|
|
|
Post by Atabeg on Jan 31, 2007 23:30:18 GMT 3
So how do you explain my figh cheekbones and fairly slanted eyes(weel compared to european and persian people)
just currious lot of people I know show CA features and a lor don't.
I allways suspected that the Turkic population of Turkey was like 30% and people said I was crazy but even lower hey it could be possible.
So the only way you can tell is by taking a DNA test.
so give me a good company who does them(because you mabey might doubt a certain company) I allways wanted to take one. Unless it over a certain amount of money(I'm a student you knwo not that rich)
|
|
|
Post by Temüjin on Feb 1, 2007 0:18:31 GMT 3
And if the original Turks were so great in number, why did they have to recruit Janissaries from the local populace? this is a very bad question. as has been said, Janissaries were not the main ottoman troops, plus many local people have been assembled in militias like Arabs, Bosnians or northern africans. counter question! why did the early medeval caliphate and other Muslim troops recruit Turkish Ghulam troops, even up to Cordoba, is it a proof that all of those dynasties were in fact Turkish and only ruled by Arabs? another question! why is it that Bulgarians today speak a Slav langauge even though their Slav subjects were culturally even less developed than the Byzantine inhabitants of Anatolia?
|
|
|
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 1, 2007 0:21:44 GMT 3
Member Altaicmongol is surely blinded by biased Anti-Turkish propaganda Thank you my dear Temujin Shad
|
|
|
Post by altaicmongol on Feb 1, 2007 3:28:42 GMT 3
Member Altaicmongol is surely blinded by biased Anti-Turkish propaganda Thank you my dear Temujin Shad If you think North American university studies are Anti-Turkish, than you are the one that is blinded my friend.
|
|
|
Post by altaicmongol on Feb 1, 2007 3:29:54 GMT 3
So how do you explain my figh cheekbones and fairly slanted eyes(weel compared to european and persian people) just currious lot of people I know show CA features and a lor don't. I allways suspected that the Turkic population of Turkey was like 30% and people said I was crazy but even lower hey it could be possible. So the only way you can tell is by taking a DNA test. so give me a good company who does them(because you mabey might doubt a certain company) I allways wanted to take one. Unless it over a certain amount of money(I'm a student you knwo not that rich) Please refer to posts #5 and #6, what you have requested has already been posted. Also, no real Asian would ever say slanted. Only ethnocentric Europeans would use that term to denigrate Asians and Euroasian mixes.
|
|
|
Post by Atabeg on Feb 1, 2007 9:20:53 GMT 3
So how do you explain my figh cheekbones and fairly slanted eyes(weel compared to european and persian people) just currious lot of people I know show CA features and a lor don't. I allways suspected that the Turkic population of Turkey was like 30% and people said I was crazy but even lower hey it could be possible. So the only way you can tell is by taking a DNA test. so give me a good company who does them(because you mabey might doubt a certain company) I allways wanted to take one. Unless it over a certain amount of money(I'm a student you knwo not that rich) Please refer to posts #5 and #6, what you have requested has already been posted. Also, no real Asian would ever say slanted. Only ethnocentric Europeans would use that term to denigrate Asians and Euroasian mixes. exactly you say all People who are not from CA are Turkfied so I said it. I didn't think you whould understand if I said Badem Gözlü(wich means Almond shaped eyes) I dob't have access to the first site
|
|
|
Post by altaicmongol on Feb 1, 2007 10:59:43 GMT 3
Please refer to posts #5 and #6, what you have requested has already been posted. Also, no real Asian would ever say slanted. Only ethnocentric Europeans would use that term to denigrate Asians and Euroasian mixes. exactly you say all People who are not from CA are Turkfied so I said it. I didn't think you whould understand if I said Badem Gözlü(wich means Almond shaped eyes) I dob't have access to the first site d**nit, I don't understand why the Uchicago Pubmed site is not working for people here, it works for me. Another euphemism for slanted eyes would be "sharp eyes" or if you want to be ultra politically-correct, "epicanthic folds."
|
|
|
Post by aca on Feb 1, 2007 15:28:30 GMT 3
My friend, those studies (if correct) can only show a percentage of CA Turkic genes still preserved in modern Anadolian Turkish genetic pool - not their CA or non-CA descent. If a modern Turkish person doesn't have CA genes at all, it still doesn't mean that he is not a true Turkic descendant. Take the Ottoman dinasty for example... You can't say that they were Turkified locals, and still they looked nothing like C Asians (especially Selim I who had a red hair and light skin) So, please don't use this story about "genetic descendants and non-descendants" because it is pointless, especially if applied to those regions where mixing of different populations lasted for centuries.
|
|
|
Post by Atabeg on Feb 1, 2007 18:50:43 GMT 3
exactly you say all People who are not from CA are Turkfied so I said it. I didn't think you whould understand if I said Badem Gözlü(wich means Almond shaped eyes) I dob't have access to the first site d**nit, I don't understand why the Uchicago Pubmed site is not working for people here, it works for me. Another euphemism for slanted eyes would be "sharp eyes" or if you want to be ultra politically-correct, "epicanthic folds." To ahve a epicanthic fold you need to have a small or low nose bridge wich I clearly don't have. Just as some Turkic peoples who are know o have higher nose bridges compared to other asians
|
|
|
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 1, 2007 22:09:17 GMT 3
Thank you my dear Aca Yabghu If you think North American university studies are Anti-Turkish, than you are the one that is blinded my friend. How dare can you talk with your Admin like this?
|
|
|
Post by altaicmongol on Feb 1, 2007 22:56:30 GMT 3
Thank you my dear Aca Yabghu If you think North American university studies are Anti-Turkish, than you are the one that is blinded my friend. How dare can you talk with your Admin like this? Usually I attribute it to freedom of speech. I have not broken any of the rules of discourse. I have not insulted you, or used obscenities. I have used reason and logic to beef up my claims and back up my claims with accredited sources. If you think I am biased while I am using evidence as sources for my discourse and think that I have an anti-Turkish slant, then I don't know what I can say to you. I'm sorry if you feel that I am being anti-Turkish, I am just very hellbent on being reasonable, logical, truthful, and scientific. I would never make a statement against someone to hurt their feelings or reputation, only to report the truth and maintain historical accuracy and integrity. If it is against the rules to disagree with anyone's opinion here, including the admin's, then feel free to ban me. But if it is a right to speak your mind here, then I don't know if it is reasonable to get rid of me.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2007 0:37:23 GMT 3
You keep going on and on about this genetic test done on "Turkish people", this does not mean this test was done on Turks. Most likely this test was done by westerners or atleast supporters western mentality. Since this is most likely the case we can safely assume that this test was done, intentionaly, on Turkish people but not on Turks from Turkey. So, of course the percentage of Central Asian genes would com eup low, the test subjects weren't Turks and probably don't identify themselves as ethnic Turks since they were mostly probably Armenian, Greek, Arab, Kurdish, Laz, Persian, Caucasian, etc. But of course, you already made up your mind even before looking at these biased, poorly detailed "facts".
Just because most of the "Turks", who associate themselves more with white boys from Europe rather than their obvious TUrk brothers and sisters, you've met it doesn't mean they represent all Anatolian Turks. Once you find people who fit into your belief it doesn;t mean your belief is true. These people who believe they are Turks will never be Turk in my eyes or in the eyes of any other Turk. They're white washed, westernized f*g**ts and nothing more. Compare them to the entire Turk population of Turkey, not to what yoiu want to believe. [/quote]
|
|
|
Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 7, 2007 0:14:56 GMT 3
Don't worry my dear Feramez Bäg, this anti-Turkish guy is already banned despite warnings so he can not spread his ugly propaganda any more
|
|