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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 11, 2006 22:55:03 GMT 3
Bülent Ecevit, who served as the Turkish Prime Minister several times (also a poet, journalist and author), has died at the beginning of this week at the age of 81, following a coma of six months; he was burried in the State Cemetary in Ankara this evening Bülent Ecevit is famous for his intervention to Cyprus in 1974, as well as the economic crisis of 2001 which happened while he was in charge. Eventhough the economic crisis of the 1970's and early 2000's were not directly connected to him, his PMship was remembered by the common Turks as hard times, unfortunately. I also critisise several of his policies; the "Reform Laws", practicially enforced by the EU, caused problems in Turkey as the outlaws like burglers or murderers became more free because the Turkish police has been softened; plus, the general amnesty laws practicially enforced by his wife, Rahþan Ecevit, let thousands of criminals to wander in the country freely, causing the hurting and death of many innocents. However, when compared with most of the Post-Atatürk politicians, I admire him much more because he mis-used his powers and he never "stole" the state's money, which is a common thing done by the so-called "Conservative" parties (Demokrat Parti [Democrat Party], Adalet Partisi [Party of Justice], Doðru Yol Partisi [Party of the Right Path], Anavatan Partisi [Party of Homeland], Refah Partisi [Party of Comfort] and the current ruler of Turkey, Adalet ve Kalkýnma Partisi [Party of Justice and Progress]). He was also modest and humble in his lifestyle, not interested in luxury. I did not use to like Bülent Ecevit and his Demokratik Sol Parti (Democratic Left Party) but as time passed and as I compared them with the governments before & after him, I realised that he was much more better than most of the governments which ruled Turkey between 1938 and 2006. Good bye Karaoðlan (Black Boy, his popular nickname in Turkey)
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Post by dardanos on Nov 12, 2006 9:01:23 GMT 3
Firstly I must say the Turks which follow his way showed their quality. We only cried for hours and did anything bad.
I will always think that he was not responsible for the crisis in 2001. The USA wanted to have war with Iraq so they did not not want Karaoðlan. They knowed that Karaoðlan was a problem for their USA.Of course America remmebers him from Cyprus.So America sent Kemal Dervis to create or make a cirisis in Turkey( I do not accept the word Turkey)and they were succesfull.
The words are not enough for him.His posters are at home standing near my Turkish flag. Looking his posters I will always drink..
We will never forget our dear Karaoðlan..
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Post by aca on Nov 12, 2006 12:26:34 GMT 3
Hey, I liked this guy... His government granted scolarships to our students, and indeed some of them went to Turkey and finished their school there. But current Turkish government now offers scolarships only to students of Novi Pazar University (Yeni Pazar) - could be mostly because they are Muslims Btw, my Turkish lecturer Keriman was a member of Ecevit's party...
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Nov 12, 2006 23:45:08 GMT 3
He is one of the two responsible men who took Turkey to chaos in '80 (other was Demirel.). He is responsible for many lives who died for their believes. He is responsible for my llife passing in an undeveloped period of this country. His politic way was really poor I believe. Yes he brought that Social Democratic belief to Turkey but now social democrats are in a dead-end. And they don't have a hope, once which was Kara Oglan. Millions hope was Kara Oglan who took them to poorness. Millions were waiting in queues for oil, bread, am I wrong? Our nation is absent minded, forgetting everything so easily. Yes he was a good man, an honest one. But that is all. He didn't steal anything from that country maybe, but he didn't say anything to stealers. Did he?
Yes he was a good man. But that is all for me... To heaven Ecevit...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 13, 2006 1:42:48 GMT 3
He is one of the two responsible men who took Turkey to chaos in '80 (other was Demirel.). He is responsible for many lives who died for their believes. Only the army could stop the internal turmoil, neither B. Ecevit nor any other civillian politicians were capable of stopping it. And after the military intervention, Turkey got to a worser position. He is responsible for my llife passing in an undeveloped period of this country. How exactly? Please explain more. His politic way was really poor I believe. Yes he brought that Social Democratic belief to Turkey but now social democrats are in a dead-end. And they don't have a hope, once which was Kara Oglan. Millions hope was Kara Oglan who took them to poorness. I have always believed that it would have been much better if he had not joined the politics. I wish we knew him only as a poet, author and journalist. He himself was hurt by the politics, I believe. Millions were waiting in queues for oil, bread, am I wrong? But that was because of the American embargo forced on us because of the intervention of Cyprus in 1974. If we had not done that, maybe we would not have had much hard times in our economy, but there would have been left no Turks in Cyprus. He didn't steal anything from that country maybe, but he didn't say anything to stealers. Did he? I do not know, did he? By the way, nowadays I started to find Bülent Ecevit as a politician similar to Sultân Selîm III of the Ottoman Empire. Do you people agree with my idea?
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Post by dardanos on Nov 13, 2006 11:40:12 GMT 3
Boorchi Noyan I really wonder how you can explain the crisis in 2001. I read you all but there is no explanation about 2001.
Tigin why do you find Karaoglan smilar to Selim III? Which smilarites?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 13, 2006 20:40:17 GMT 3
He was good in personality, but weak in politics.
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Post by dardanos on Nov 13, 2006 20:59:24 GMT 3
Show me who was strong in politics in Turkey.. I am waitin four bot Noyan's and Tigin's answer about the crisis in 2001.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 13, 2006 21:10:55 GMT 3
He could not prevent internal turmoil during the 1970's. He could not prevent his government from falling down (thanks to Ýsmail Cem and Kemal Derviþ). He could not prevent the EU to enforce new laws un-fit to Turkish policies.
On the other hand, the crisis of 2001 was not his fault.
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Post by dardanos on Nov 13, 2006 21:13:12 GMT 3
I also wonder about your idea about Selim III and Karaoðlan..
Thanks for your answer.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 13, 2006 21:40:59 GMT 3
I already explained that. Both were not fit for politics but both were talented in arts.
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Nov 13, 2006 23:57:36 GMT 3
He was the prime minister of all bad times of Turkey. What about the amnesties given to prisoners in his times? What about his relationship with that Gulen?
Do you really think that he defied America in 1974? Then I ask, where did he come from and become a member of CHP and then be selected to TBMM and then become the president of CHP? Where did he come from? The answer is America. What about Bilderberg?
Come on guys, Ecevit came and played the role given in his hand, that's all.
And Dardanos what do I have to explain you about 2001 crisis? Ask more clearly please...
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Nov 14, 2006 0:00:24 GMT 3
He is one of the two responsible men who took Turkey to chaos in '80 (other was Demirel.). He is responsible for many lives who died for their believes. Only the army could stop the internal turmoil, neither B. Ecevit nor any other civillian politicians were capable of stopping it. And after the military intervention, Turkey got to a worser position. I am not talking about post-80, what about before, who prepared the country into that situation? I have always believed that it would have been much better if he had not joined the politics. I wish we knew him only as a poet, author and journalist. He himself was hurt by the politics, I believe. Me too (?!?!?!)
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Post by dardanos on Nov 14, 2006 8:33:27 GMT 3
Remember me I will talk about badly when Turkes's, Ozal's, Inonu's,Menderes's death dates come.. I will not forget to add to heaven.. What did the right side to Turkey? His fans did not kill 5000 people I remember..He was not in Susurluk.He did not have Mercedess BMWs. He only used an old Kartal as ours. You wrote ''He is responsible for my llife passing in an undeveloped period of this country.'' So I am right to wonder about your opinion about 2001. You and me are not alive in 1980 and born in 85-86 etc. So we cannot remember the oldies so clearly as 2001. I also shocked about your connection between Ecevit and America. If accepted or not it does not matter he's is a legend such as yours....
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 14, 2006 22:01:29 GMT 3
Remember me I will talk about badly when Turkes's, Ozal's, Inonu's,Menderes's death dates come.. I will not forget to add to heaven.. Ismet Inönü is still allive?
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