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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 28, 2008 16:05:34 GMT 3
Nice performance
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Post by yidaki on Aug 16, 2008 0:34:22 GMT 3
I study throat singing, and I know how to sing myself, so I guess I should know something about this. 30yrs ago or so, the only ones in Mongolia that used Höömii were of the Tuvan ethnicity, in north-west of Mongolia. And that's the Sayan mountains region where it is still at it's strongest, culturally. But now it's spreading, other mongolian ethnicities are re-inventing themselves and their cultural heritage. A new band Hanggai, just recently released a record made in Beijing, just in time for the olympics and China's propaganda-train: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdJEHtI_b4Hanggai are inner mongolian, so basically chinese. I know atleast three outer mongolian bands, Egschiglen, Shu-de and Altai Hangai. Both in Mongolia, Tuva and China, throat singing is extremely commodified. It's a cultural product, being sold internationally. Tuva is the best example of that, with only 300k people in total in the country, (One third are of tuvan ethnicity if I'm not mistaken) there are atleast 10 different international music bands singing Khöömei. (Different spelling in Tuvan) For more information on contemporary throat singing, check out www.khoomei.comFor more information on the traditional cultural heritage of throat singing, check out tyvawiki.org/wiki/Main_PagePeace!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 17, 2008 2:07:10 GMT 3
Greetings Yidaki, welcome aboard I think you should add Altan Urag to the (Outer) Mongolian throat-singing bands
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Post by ALTAR on Aug 17, 2008 15:04:15 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 18, 2008 22:01:18 GMT 3
I love them
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 19, 2008 16:01:13 GMT 3
tuvans are the best in throat singing but i prefer altai kai
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Post by Oorvan on Aug 21, 2008 17:28:26 GMT 3
Hello,
This is my first post - I just discovered this forum. I think this is a nice place, full of information! There is a lot of wrong information about throat singing these days. Maybe because it's getting popular these days, but only through the internet! Internet provides very little good information about throat singing, unfortunately. Especially on Youtube there is very bad music about throat singing.
I've been to West-Mongolia to meet (throat singing) artists in Khovd province (Chandman village), with Mongolian throat singer Hosoo. He now lives in Germany, but he won twice 'best mongolian artist' award in Mongolia. He's amazing throat singer and good friend.
In Khovd province there are very much throat singers. Some very well known artist like Tserendavaa, Tsogtgerel, Ganbold, Hosoo, Sengedorj, Sundui, came from here. Interesting about Chandman village is all children follow the tradition to make music. They learn throat singing by listening to their family and friends. I met a lot of young boys (16 years) there, and they were all learning to play instruments (morin khuur)!!
Next year february 2009 I leave to Mongolia for 7 months. This year I've been busy with the pre-production on my documentary. I just finished my study as audiovisual designer/animator, so I'm ready for my first offical film!! First I go to Ulaan Baatar, then off to West-Mongolia to Khovd, Uvs and Bayan Ölgii. I will meet all different artists who make traditional mongolian music. Special focus on Urtyn Duu, Magtaal and Höömii (throat sing). For me this is big project, I collect money this year and now I'm almost ready to make very nice documentary about nomad life & music in West-Mongolia. I hope I can make a documentary which gives good information and nice images of untouched traditional life and music.
The project should be finished january 2010. Sounds very far away, but times goes fast!!
Greetings from Holland, Rowan.
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 21, 2008 19:42:28 GMT 3
you do that for Dutch television or will we be able to see this documentary as well?
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Post by Oorvan on Aug 21, 2008 20:03:19 GMT 3
Hello Temujin, At this stage it's only goal is to bring it out on DVD, which will be available for everyone. But possibly it will also be seen on Film Festivals around the world (not sure of course, will have to see if there is interest for it!).
As planned for now, post-production will start on september 2009, and planned to be totally finished january 2010.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 22, 2008 0:32:33 GMT 3
Wow, sounds awesome Wish you good luck
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Post by keaganjoelbrewer on Sept 19, 2008 13:40:03 GMT 3
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 21, 2008 21:00:45 GMT 3
Yidaki, Rowan...
I'm surprised to see you guys here. I registered an account because I saw you guys did and found the irresistible urge to respond. I found this forum while searching for information about the Bodrov "Mongol" film. More on that later...
To answer the original question posed by H. Ihsan Erkoc, throat-singing is much more widespread than just among Tuvans and Mongols. The Tuvans and Mongols tend to be the most known for it because of the large variations they've created. But the basic technique can be found across the world, which leads some scholars to suppose that it is very old. In most other Turkic groups, throat-singing is limited to bardic tradition and doesn't have a strong overtone melody component, i.e. Uzbek bakshi. You can find some other fine Turkic throat-singing among the Khakass, Altai, and Bashkort. Some of the more unrefined throat-singing or throat-singing based upon slightly different techniques can be found among Tungus groups, Itelmen, on into Canada with the Inuit, even in Indonesia and Papua New Guinea. The Xhosa women in South Africa also have some throat-singing.
What the Yoruks do is not the same thing. That is regular singing while the singer taps on the outside of the throat.
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Post by hjernespiser on Nov 21, 2008 21:04:11 GMT 3
Rowan,
I suspect the reason there's lots of bad information on the Internet about throat-singing is due to its popularity! There's also a lot of good information on the Internet about throat-singing too, but it is hard for a new person to tell the difference.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 21, 2008 22:13:05 GMT 3
Thank you for the info.
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Post by Subu'atai on Nov 25, 2008 0:15:24 GMT 3
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