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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 27, 2006 15:20:06 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 27, 2006 18:14:58 GMT 3
He was, definitially.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 27, 2006 18:59:33 GMT 3
His ideology was just himself. he chosed to be communist, because it was more better for him than to be in Kuomintang. And what he did to even other chinese communist leaders... Most disgusting stories are those what he did in Inner-Mongolia and Yunnan.
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Post by aykurt on Dec 27, 2006 19:52:49 GMT 3
His ideology was just himself. he chosed to be communist, because it was more better for him than to be in Kuomintang. And what he did to even other chinese communist leaders... Most disgusting stories are those what he did in Inner-Mongolia and Yunnan. What happened in Yunnan?
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Post by kokturk on Dec 27, 2006 21:09:37 GMT 3
His ideology was just himself. he chosed to be communist, because it was more better for him than to be in Kuomintang. And what he did to even other chinese communist leaders... Most disgusting stories are those what he did in Inner-Mongolia and Yunnan. Not to forget East Turkestân, so called Xinqiang.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 28, 2006 0:49:54 GMT 3
His ideology was just himself. he chosed to be communist, because it was more better for him than to be in Kuomintang. And what he did to even other chinese communist leaders... Most disgusting stories are those what he did in Inner-Mongolia and Yunnan. Not to forget East Turkestân, so called Xinqiang. Indeed. Yunnan got total genocide in some places towards muslim-population. I have been in Beijing and visited his mausoleum and saw that still many chinese respect that bastard.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 30, 2006 4:00:26 GMT 3
The Cultural Revolution is a crime for humanity.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Dec 30, 2006 4:12:11 GMT 3
The Cultural Revolution is a crime for humanity. He even hated his own family and own nation, he just cared for himself.
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Post by temur on Jan 11, 2007 15:22:45 GMT 3
My forum Lord and respected friends here. I have to say that your knowledge on Mao is very limited! The Cultural revolution have zero influence on ordinary Chinese peoples( at least 95 percent). It,s target is mainly on High officials in the party. It,s a movement that against corruption in government. How Cultural revolution happened, I will put it,s causes below. But It,s causes is too long to be finished wirhing days, but I have to list truth in this forum and erase some misunderstanding on Mao. My uncle is an researcher in department of society of China,and his subject is mainly on the analysis of China's relationship with Soviet Union and domestic situation. Before Cultural revolution, I have to say something about the relationship between Soviet and China. After Oct revoultion, Leinin, the founder of Soviet promised that Soviet will give all territory which was encroached by Russia empire in 19th century back to China. At that time, Leinin is not only leader of Soviet but paramount leader of China communist party. After got his promise, Chinese include Koumintang(nationlist party) Felt very happy. But after death of Lenin, Stalin broke that oral promise, and said that Mongolia' fate is decided by Mongol peoples, finally Mongolia declare it's independence. And Mongolia's independence was a big attack on China,s ruling party( nationalist party). All Chinese were frustrated by it in fact. Because of severe corruption, Japanese invasion as well as peasants uprising, Communists party led Chinese people overthrew Kuomingtang party. To this point, I have to say nationlist party has lost wide support of majority. And Mongolia's independence is also counted in the reason that why nationalist party was toppled down. Just 1 years of founding of New China, Stalin collaborated with King ri Cheng( Korean communists leader) to launch war against south Korea which supported by America. Their agreement didn,t tell Mao, after north Korea was crashed by USA army, king ri cheng wrote letter to Mao and plea him sent army to fight against USA army because king's troop was totally crashed. When Mao received this letter, he felt very angry, because bafore war he told King that you must take involvement of USA into account. Now, Mao, like previous Chinese Emperors, understands the importance of Korea. 800 years ago Mongol army come down from Liao dong, 300 Manchurian came down from there, and 50 years ago Japanese came down from there. Korea is the frontgate of China. So he decide sent Chinese army to Korea regardless od opposition from party. The outcome of war is a disaster for both China and USA, China lost 300,000 soldier, and USA lost 134,500(but offical figure is 53.000, it,s a face saving) And they signed peace agreement in 38 meridian. Article above is the first reason that why relationship was broke up and finally lead to cultural revolution.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jan 11, 2007 15:29:12 GMT 3
I suggest you read that book what I mentioned in my first post in that topic. Do you live in China? If yes, then you propably cannot find that book.
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Post by temur on Jan 11, 2007 16:24:43 GMT 3
I experiences 3 stages on him. Your book of Mao is mainly wrote by his enemy or intellectuals who was punished in Cultural revolution. In fact, he is far away from egoistic. He is not God, so he has done many wrong things just like other great figures in the history. And I have read some book that are much more vicious than book you have recommended to me. Frankly, some Chinese peoples hate him very much, because they can,t bully and exploit ordinary peoples in Mao's time. I,m a Mongol who brought up in China. Two people I respect most are Genjisi Khan and Chairman Mao. Both of them have general love toward people regardless of their class of birth, and their broad-minded view toward world. Unlike some brutal conquerors who just conquered peoples physically, Ganjisi Khan and Chairman Mao conquered peoples spiritually, they are the spiritual leader of all human being. I suggest you read that book what I mentioned in my first post in that topic. Do you live in China? If yes, then you propably cannot find that book.
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Post by temur on Jan 11, 2007 16:55:04 GMT 3
I will put my 2cond chapter of Mao in near future. But now I have to present my 3 stages of my knowledge on Mao. I was born 4 years after Mao's death. Firstly, I shoot "long live Chairman Mao" just like all Chinese students do it, because teachers teach us to do it. We just blindly respected him. Certainly, my Mongol teachers also told us that Genjisi Khan is our paramount leader and most great Khan. My second stage cames in 90s , at this time some Chinese intellectuals and former officers sprung out and printed lot of books attacking Mao. My generation was greatly influenced by this tide of this surprising revolution. In fact, I hate Mao to the bone at that period, and I even want to drug his body from his tomb in Tian,n men Square. My third stage came when Chinese peoples realizes what those people( intellectuals and officials who were punished by Mao) had done to Chinese peoples. They began change their attitude toward Mao to previous stage. Chairman Mao is a great leader of China, a great emperor of Chinese people. He is not only the spiritual leader of Chinese but that of all human being. At his time, everyone is equal. During the Korea war his son(if he didn,t died, Chinese peoples would have probably erected him as successor of Mao) died in the battle field. At the eve of war, Mao said:" my son is as common as the son of ordinary people, he must blood with those young peoples, he has no priority." He didn,t send his son to that dangerous place, because China have no any air protection, most Chinese soldier and General died as USA air attacks. You even couldn,t guarantee the safety of First commander in chief. During 1989 student movement, A general told government that "I,m a soldier of Chairman Mao , and my responsibility is to protect China and Chinese peoples from Soviet and USA invasuon rather than killing my countrymen." Finally he was put in home arrest.
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Post by temur on Jan 11, 2007 17:01:27 GMT 3
My correction on my sentence. He didn,t need to send his son to that dangerous place, because China have no any air protection, most Chinese soldier and General died as USA air attacks. You even couldn,t guarantee the safety of First commander in chief. I will put my 2cond chapter of Mao in near future. But now I have to present my 3 stages of my knowledge on Mao. I was born 4 years after Mao's death. Firstly, I shoot "long live Chairman Mao" just like all Chinese students do it, because teachers teach us to do it. We just blindly respected him. Certainly, my Mongol teachers also told us that Genjisi Khan is our paramount leader and most great Khan. My second stage cames in 90s , at this time some Chinese intellectuals and former officers sprung out and printed lot of books attacking Mao. My generation was greatly influenced by this tide of this surprising revolution. In fact, I hate Mao to the bone at that period, and I even want to drug his body from his tomb in Tian,n men Square. My third stage came when Chinese peoples realizes what those people( intellectuals and officials who were punished by Mao) had done to Chinese peoples. They began change their attitude toward Mao to previous stage. Chairman Mao is a great leader of China, a great emperor of Chinese people. He is not only the spiritual leader of Chinese but that of all human being. At his time, everyone is equal. During the Korea war his son(if he didn,t died, Chinese peoples would have probably erected him as successor of Mao) died in the battle field. At the eve of war, Mao said:" my son is as common as the son of ordinary people, he must blood with those young peoples, he has no priority." He didn,t send his son to that dangerous place, because China have no any air protection, most Chinese soldier and General died as USA air attacks. You even couldn,t guarantee the safety of First commander in chief. During 1989 student movement, A general told government that "I,m a soldier of Chairman Mao , and my responsibility is to protect China and Chinese peoples from Soviet and USA invasuon rather than killing my countrymen." Finally he was put in home arrest.
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Post by Temüjin on Jan 11, 2007 23:18:27 GMT 3
Stalin also has lost his son in ww2, but not because he thought he was equal to other Russians but simply because he didn't cared at all about his life. when Germans have captured him, he said he didn't want him back for everyone who is captured by Germans is a traitor, so he committed suicide in concentration camp. Mao is responsible for the death of 40 million of his fellow Chinese countrymen for selfish reasons, there is no reason to put him on the same place as Chinggis Khaan, in fact he is the worst mass-murderer in world history!
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Jan 11, 2007 23:34:07 GMT 3
Only commie-leader in China who really wanted to help poor people in China was Peng Dehuai, and in internet you can search and find what Mao did to him...
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