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Post by ALTAR on Aug 26, 2008 20:13:33 GMT 3
and Turkmens speak very fastly like the people of Denizli Region in Türkiye ...
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 26, 2008 22:20:00 GMT 3
Yes, that's true I have no problem with understanding written Turkmen, but when it comes to spoken Turkmen, I have great problems
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Post by ALTAR on Aug 26, 2008 23:33:39 GMT 3
But I bet that you can understand RUHNAMA with Latin Cyrillic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2008 13:22:21 GMT 3
I found out that Turkmen (atleast Turkmenistan Turkmen) has the 'th' sounds. For example, the 'th' like in the words "the" and "think".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2008 13:24:14 GMT 3
I know this isn't a Turkic sound and before I found this out I didn't think it existed in Turkic at all. Are there any other Turkic languages that use the 'th' sounds?
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Aug 27, 2008 14:39:10 GMT 3
Yes, I heard that while Turkmen speaking either, it is more fricative than the English "th" . Ain't any Turkmen here?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 27, 2008 20:06:33 GMT 3
Of course ;D
Those sounds are actually s, z and d but they sound like dh or th. Actually the dh sound did exist in 11th-century Turkic as attested by Dîwânu Lughât al-Turk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2008 11:06:08 GMT 3
I never heard it since I've never heard a Turkmen speak before but I saw the phonetical chart for the Turkmen language and saw it there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2008 11:07:29 GMT 3
Yea but I'm sure it was a foriegn influence, such as from Arabic or Farsi.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 28, 2008 12:37:00 GMT 3
ccualy there is ' th' sound in Turkish it's just spelled as T
because for instance lets say the word comb in Turkish Tarak but when your pronounce it you don't say tarak as in table but you say tharak there is a subtile H after the T but not as in THE
the people here make 'fun' of the Turks for there H after the T, K, S,...
try it and pay attention
Belt in Turkish Kemer but you say khemer
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 29, 2008 0:17:52 GMT 3
Yea but I'm sure it was a foriegn influence, such as from Arabic or Farsi. It's actually a natural process. The d sound turns to dh, which later turns to y. Like Batraq -> Badraq -> Badhraq -> Bayraq (Bayrak, Flag). Or like Adaq -> Adhaq -> Ayaq (Ayak, Foot).
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Aug 29, 2008 3:12:34 GMT 3
If you mean Persian in particular, then I should say there's no such a sound
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 30, 2008 12:38:36 GMT 3
Yes, only Arabic has it, but I don't think the Turks in Central Asia got this sound from the Arabs.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 31, 2008 13:34:54 GMT 3
The Anatolian Turks speak with a heavy 'D' esspecialy the people of teh Black coast & people of Central Anatolia also have a heavy G instead of K
and the soft G and H is also unique to Anatolian Turkish I think
I'm just comparing it with the Meskhetian Dialect of Turkish witch is roughly a link between Turkish and Azeri
English Turkish Meskhetian Turkish
Uncle Dayi/amca Tayi/emmi (note: emmi is still used in some parts of Turkey) Mountain Dağ Tag News Haber Xeber (X = kh sound) Iron Demir Temir/temur fresh Taze Tezze pleasant hos Xos (but I think this is a persian word)
these are just some examples
I wonder why Anatolian Turkish god so 'soft' I think it's due to so many foreigns speakers back in the day
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 1, 2008 0:02:58 GMT 3
It's a process of roughly a millenium
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