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Post by tengrikut on May 16, 2007 16:18:34 GMT 3
in turkey people say "jeylan"
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Post by nisse on May 17, 2007 0:09:07 GMT 3
aha, then it must be in azeri turkish they say jeyran,
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Post by Atabeg on May 17, 2007 17:42:02 GMT 3
in turkey people say "jeylan" accualy its ceylan ;D
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Post by nisse on May 17, 2007 23:23:23 GMT 3
I have always wonder why they use c as a j in turkey, who came up with that
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 17, 2007 23:45:11 GMT 3
It was Mustafa Kemâl Atatürk.
Anyway, let's turn back to the topic: I want someone to answer my questions about the Mongolian language.
I also got another question: did the sounds "ts" existed in Classical Mongolian, or was it always a "ch" sound until some of the "ch"s became "ts"s? Because in Classical Mongolian, I never came up with the "ts" sounds (like, modern Tsereg is written as Èereg [Chereg] and modern Setsen is written as Seèen [Sechen] in Classical Mongolian).
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Post by nisse on May 18, 2007 2:07:23 GMT 3
I think they are pronunced the same
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 20, 2007 23:25:46 GMT 3
But aren't "Ts" and "Ch" different sounds?
Where are our Mongolian friends?
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Post by Bor Chono on May 21, 2007 5:01:51 GMT 3
But aren't "Ts" and "Ch" different sounds? Where are our Mongolian friends? Yes! ;D Mongols mostly use "Chi" Chimeg=decor Chih=ears Chini=Yours...etc Chono=wolf As for "Ts" Tsagaan=White Tsenher=Light blue Tsoorhoi=hole..etc ;D Also there is "Je" Jejig=small Jims=fruit Jinhene=Truely..etc For Mongols all different sounds!
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Post by Saran on May 21, 2007 13:20:09 GMT 3
I used to know a song called Ceylan sang by a rock band from Turkey. It's kinda old song now, liked the video.
Tigin: Anyway, let's turn back to the topic: I want someone to answer my questions about the Mongolian language.
I also got another question: did the sounds "ts" existed in Classical Mongolian, or was it always a "ch" sound until some of the "ch"s became "ts"s? Because in Classical Mongolian, I never came up with the "ts" sounds (like, modern Tsereg is written as ȥreg [Chereg] and modern Setsen is written as Se襮 [Sechen] in Classical Mongolian).
We write Tsetseg (flower, cicek) in cyrillic and pronounce it as Tsetseg now. But in olden days we wrote Checheg in our old vertical script. I have the following 2 ideas: 1. The sound Ts came in the 1942s when the Mongols adopted Cyrillic letters from Russia and Ts is a new sound to Mongolia. Meaning, we used to write checheg and pronounced as checheg. 2. Ts isn't a new sound, but in old script we didn't have Ts letter, but we pronounced Tsetseg as tsetseg and wrote it as checheg.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 21, 2007 18:13:53 GMT 3
I see, thanks. So I will just continue writing all "ts"s as "ch" in my studies. Would you people please also reply my first question: While making my research on the Mongol Campaign of Eastern Europe of 1236-1342, I got completely puzzled up with writing Classical Mongolian with the Latin alphabet. The version used by Mongolists has the letter Q, which is written by some others as Kh. Like, Chinggis Khan is written as Činggis Qan or Khuriltai is written as Quriltai. I wonder, was it really pronounced as Q (Hard K) back in the 13th century? Plus, there is is the problem with the Gh (γ) sound; usually it's written with an apostrophe, like Qa'an, Qada'an. In Modern Mongolian, the Gh (γ) sound usually does not exist between vowels (like Qaan, Ulaan, Baatar, etc) but what was the situation in the 13th century? I get more confused because in Persian and Arabic (13th-14th centuries), the title Qa'an is written as Qaan
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 21, 2007 21:54:35 GMT 3
OK, so what does "huts" or "huuts"mean? I mispronounced the "uuts" food and found out it's a bad word.
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Post by Bor Chono on May 25, 2007 4:49:45 GMT 3
OK, so what does "huts" or "huuts"mean? I mispronounced the "uuts" food and found out it's a bad word. Who told U that! ;D Actually word "Huts" goes before "Uli", "Uli" goes before "Unga" "Huts" means "don`t bark" "Uli" means "cry like wolf or dog" "Unga" means "reliese your gas" "Huts Uli Unga" togethers form one strong bad word meaning "Shut up!"
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Post by nisse on May 25, 2007 15:33:21 GMT 3
In turkmen uli or uly means big
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 25, 2007 21:46:02 GMT 3
In turkmen uli or uly means big That's completely different word. In Turkic, to howl like a wolf is the same - ulu(mak).
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 25, 2007 23:04:33 GMT 3
Someone, please answer my questions!
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