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Post by abdulhay on Jun 22, 2010 3:00:23 GMT 3
Mongolic in origin or turkic?
I thought it was turkic
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Post by sarmat on Jun 22, 2010 4:17:10 GMT 3
I don't know exactly, but in Russian sources this battle cry is usually described as Mongolian in origin.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 22, 2010 4:25:14 GMT 3
Sarmat... hurrah as in... HURRAH?! www.youtube.com/watch?v=obFlJtE3hYcxD You have to be kidding me! I didn't think you were that serious. EDIT: Ok you just made me dig it up, only thing I found was in Wiki: The song: When Suby comes marching home again... Hurrah! Hurrah! We'll give him a hearty welcome then... Hurrah! Hurrah! The men will cheer and the boys will shout, the ladies they will all turn out ;D And we'll all feel gay when Suby comes marching home.... Errr gay?! Since when did I have that effect on people OMFT!!! EDIT2: Oh? Back then the word "gay" meant happy not homo? Learn something new each day heh.
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Post by sarmat on Jun 22, 2010 7:50:56 GMT 3
Why would I be kidding? "Hurrah" is the typical Russian battle cry. Though it really should sound like "Urrraaa" in Russian. Like in this movie the Cossacks are shouting "Urrraa" www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLRINnp1_00&feature=relatedAnd Russian troops shout it all the time...
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 22, 2010 15:19:41 GMT 3
I'm refering to the origins. Which Russian sources are you refering to which claim it to be Mongolic-originated?
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Post by abdulhay on Jun 22, 2010 15:41:06 GMT 3
so according to wikipedia , its origin is turkic
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 22, 2010 15:53:31 GMT 3
Yes, based on the info from Wikipedia, Turkic origin is most probable, unless Sarmat has better info on this. He brought it up after all heh xD
Now I simply can't stop chanting it, hurrah! hurrah! It really has a nice ring to it, hurrah! HURRAH!
Great, now I got the song stuck in my head
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 22, 2010 18:30:32 GMT 3
Húj húj Hajrá! (Of course there's the claim that it is Hungarian in origin.) "Ur Ah" is very much like the US Marine version, although Wikipedia reports that the use by the Marines has a different origin. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oorah_%28Marines%29
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Post by sarmat on Jun 22, 2010 20:17:34 GMT 3
I'm refering to the origins. Which Russian sources are you refering to which claim it to be Mongolic-originated? The first source I read it in is "The Big Soviet Encyclopedia" which was like a Soviet Britannica. It originated from the Mongol battle cry "Uragh" which means "Forward." I don't know what exactly is the origin of the word, but in the Russian case, Jean Paul Roux's explanation doesn't work. The Russians weren't in contact with Gokturks unlike with Mongols. So, it might be originally Turkic and later adobted by Mongols or vice versa and later adobted by Russians. The video on this page is also a good example of the Russian "ura" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooray
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Post by sarmat on Jun 22, 2010 20:19:56 GMT 3
Húj húj Hajrá! (Of course there's the claim that it is Hungarian in origin.) "Ur Ah" is very much like the US Marine version, although Wikipedia reports that the use by the Marines has a different origin. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oorah_%28Marines%29Actually, I don't think it's Hungarian in origin. I believe more in theory that it spread in Europe under the Russian influence in the early 19th century during the Napoleonic wars, when the Russian troops were in Paris and all the Europe was fascinated with the Russian army and Cossacks for some time.
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Post by Temüjin on Jun 22, 2010 21:34:59 GMT 3
i think it was used before Cossacks because everyone used it during Nap Wars already, before Napoleon was defeated and Cossacks made a major impression on Europe. i think the Hungarian spread due to the Hussars is more probable.
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Post by sarmat on Jun 22, 2010 23:17:42 GMT 3
May be, but "hourah" just sounds more like "ura," than "huzzah." I just don't understand why would "huzzah" suddenly change to "hourah."
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Post by Temüjin on Jun 23, 2010 21:24:28 GMT 3
because Hurra(h) is an old germanic word as i found out with some help. it's in fact the same/similar with the english version, and still used as in 'to hurry'. earliest written German usage of the word already dates from the middle ages in fact. it's very well possible that due to militarical influence, the word spread from German to the other countries, and certainly Russia adopted a lot of German militarical terms.
in fact the question is not why Huzzah became Hurrah but how Huzzah came about.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 23, 2010 23:17:10 GMT 3
I don't know what exactly is the origin of the word, but in the Russian case, Jean Paul Roux's explanation doesn't work. The Russians weren't in contact with Gokturks unlike with Mongols. Maybe via the Khazars, Pecheneks, Oghuz, Qypchaq, etc?
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Post by sarmat on Jun 24, 2010 0:50:30 GMT 3
because Hurra(h) is an old germanic word as i found out with some help. it's in fact the same/similar with the english version, and still used as in 'to hurry'. earliest written German usage of the word already dates from the middle ages in fact. it's very well possible that due to militarical influence, the word spread from German to the other countries, and certainly Russia adopted a lot of German militarical terms. in fact the question is not why Huzzah became Hurrah but how Huzzah came about. Now I'm totally confused. If "Hurrah" is just an original German word why care about Huzzah at all?
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