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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 20, 2006 21:33:14 GMT 3
But we should remember that the "Iron Age" began in Southwestern Asia and in the Mediterrenean Basin during the great migrations of the "Sea Peoples". The only exception to this were the Hittites who had discovered the proper useage of iron before the "Sea Peoples" came. However, in most places of Southwestern Asia, iron was introduced by the "barbarians". Remember that iron useage was introduced into Greece by the Dorians. The Babylonians were still using bronze when the iron-using Assyrians conquered them.
However, I still do not know when exactly iron was introduced to China. My point is that in Western Euroasia, iron was introduced mostly by un-sedentary peoples.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 24, 2006 23:47:11 GMT 3
Now I want to know, when was Ti¨¡n (T'ien) Ìì first used in Chinese?
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Post by suren911 on Nov 29, 2006 2:36:02 GMT 3
wow this is an incredible find. very interesting thread! i know chinese, but i don't know which words are of altaic origin. if you guys have questions feel free to ask me for translation.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 10, 2008 19:59:57 GMT 3
I have learned that the Chinese word ôî (today pronounced D¨¤o [Tao] or D¨² [Tu], ancient pronunciation Duk) meaning "Standart/Banner/Flag" comes from the Turkic word Tuġ (Tugh)
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Post by pantigin on Feb 10, 2008 11:25:30 GMT 3
Yes, as always there is cultural exchange lies between steppe people and chinese, definately there is mutual influences on the languages. In my language, there are a lot of words seemingly have common roots with chinese .But I am not sure about who borrowed from whom. for axample, here is a passage about Alishir Nawa'i in Wikipedia says M¨©r Al¨© Sh¨©r was born in 1441 in Herat, which is now in northwestern Afghanistan. He belonged to the Chagatai amir (or M¨©r in Persian) class of the Timurid elite. His father, Giy¨¡th ud-Din Kichkina ("the Little"), served as a high-ranking officer in the palace of Sh¨¡hrukh Mirz¨¡, the ruler of Khorasan. According to contemporary historian Mirza Muhammad Haidar Dughlat (1499-1551), he was a descendant of Uyghur "Bakhš¨©s" (comparable to European gleemen), many of whom served at the courts of almost all Chagatay and Timurid rulers and later became powerful military officials (thus the military title M¨©r). His mother served as a princes' governess in the palace.
the title or respectful term "bakshi" means a scholar or knowledgable person and sometimes refers to a shamanic doctor or a shamanic priest in Uighur language. In modern chinese ²©Ê¿£¨boshi£©means phd. (doctor of philosophy). So I am curious.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 11, 2008 14:21:35 GMT 3
Yes indeed, Annamarie von Gabain also says that Baḳšï (Baqshy) or Baḫšï (Bakhshy) comes from that Chinese name.
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Post by Atabeg on Feb 11, 2008 15:15:47 GMT 3
I thought Bakshi was manchurian?
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Post by pantigin on Feb 11, 2008 21:51:51 GMT 3
But it's very interesting that in today's pakistan, india and afghanistan, there are lot of people has surnames as Bakhshi. I think that might be moghal influence made through Babur and his offsprings.
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Post by pantigin on Feb 11, 2008 22:06:22 GMT 3
in some places of china people always address their father as DIE DIE(µùµù)£¬so sometimes i thought it would be a turkic dede or dada (dad, father) that later adopted by chinese along the history . and also majority of chinese call their father as BA BA (°Ö°Ö) orally and it reminds me as if there should be somthing related between turkic baba (father or grand father) and chinese baba.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 12, 2008 3:59:32 GMT 3
No, it's Chinese.
Hmm interesting.
Baba, Ana, etc are common words in most of the languages.
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Post by Atabeg on Feb 12, 2008 8:49:38 GMT 3
More people in India have the last name Khan esspecialy people from around Kashmir
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 12, 2008 15:27:34 GMT 3
Aqa/Agha and Khan are very common personal names among the Muslim Indians and Iranians. That is because of the Turko-Mongolian influence indeed.
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