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Post by erkut on Feb 17, 2006 23:51:49 GMT 3
Hi my friends I want to talk about Turkish soldiers in World War II. Yes Turks fought in WWII. For example Cypriot Turks foght for Great Britain or Central Asian Turks foght for USSR and the III. Reich. Some Turks wanted to fight for motherland, some of them wanted independence and fought against motherland. Germans gathered Turks in Ostern Turkish Legion's (Dogu Turkistan Lejyonu/Eastern Turkish Legions).
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 20, 2006 2:56:36 GMT 3
Yes, this is an interesting topic indeed.
Before the Germans created the Turkistan units, hundreds of thousands of Turkic war captives suffered from bad conditions and from racism.
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Post by Bor Chono on May 18, 2006 10:48:08 GMT 3
Some Kalimag Mongols with Turks joined Germans. ;D German officer : -U run from here to there, attracting their fire! Turks & Mongols : -Why we just attack it & take it. German officer : -Without guns? Turks & Mongols : -Ok (Joke ;D)
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on May 21, 2006 15:29:43 GMT 3
In Kazakhstan its very difficult topic. We admire their course and understand their choice. During Soviet Union more than 2 million Kazakh were shot or starved to death. We have a lots of people who died at the fronts fighting with Nazi invasion and enemies of the state who fought against Red Army. Both of my grand grand fathers are enemies of the state. One was executed in 1937. Another crossed the border of China in 1917 when the red army came. Was executed in 1935 when tried to see his daughter who married and lived in Soviet Union.
Joke WW2-1941 november. Kazakh from the frontline a letter to parents who live in KAZAKHSTAN. Dear Mother and Father. We are retreating every day 30 km. God bless by next summer will be at home.
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Post by horka on Sept 7, 2006 16:10:08 GMT 3
Some Kalimag Mongols with Turks joined Germans. ;D German officer : -U run from here to there, attracting their fire! Turks & Mongols : -Why we just attack it & take it. German officer : -Without guns? Turks & Mongols : -Ok (Joke ;D) It seems for Germans they were good for canon fodders. When they were loosing they started to create all kinds of units. Deer Borchono a little example of their thinking in order to get you cured: Stormfront ;D
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 8, 2006 12:52:20 GMT 3
What connections Stormfront have to National Socialism?
Nothing.
Stormfront is "White Nationalist" site (They accept people with European culture, like armenians too) and they also says that they are not National Socialist site.
I think that those Turkic soldiers who fought for III Reich, made right choice and they fought also for their nations against bolshevik-scums.
BTW: Turks were not subhumans according III Reich laws, they were considered "Aryans" (In this case Aryan meaned "good nation").
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 8, 2006 13:03:15 GMT 3
The Turkic peoples were from the "lower races" according to the Nazis. That is why Soviet PoWs of Turkic and Mongolic origin were treated even worser than PoWs of Slavic origin.
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 8, 2006 13:04:55 GMT 3
The Turkic peoples were from the "lower races" according to the Nazis. That is why Soviet PoWs of Turkic and Mongolic origin were treated even worser than PoWs of Slavic origin. I heard that Mongols were 7th or 13th race. hehehe..
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Sept 8, 2006 13:11:13 GMT 3
Well, it depends about III Reich person, what was their personal opinion...
I'll find sources about that issue.
BTW: Finns were lower races according Hitler also, but Himmler admired and glorified Finns, so like I said, it depends on person.
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 9, 2006 14:42:58 GMT 3
Name of pic is "Turk legion" Look like Mongol/Kazak ;D
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Sept 11, 2006 2:14:52 GMT 3
The boy sitting on right is like my younger days...
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 11, 2006 5:40:22 GMT 3
Most of the Türkistan legion was comprised of the Central Asian (Türkistani) Turkic peoples like Kazak, Uzbek, Kyrgyz, Karakalpak, and Tajik.
Other people were rare. Although, there're some records of non-Turkic soldiers in the legion, even a Geogrian from Caucasus.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 11, 2006 5:41:21 GMT 3
Türkistan legion [/size] The Germans formed "Ost" (Eastern) Battalions from recruited prisoners of war and deserters. These Ost Battalions were fitted among the German Regiments and Divisions. The volunteers from the Ost Battalions were used as rear-area police duties. Most of these Legions were used to fight anti-partisan operations in Russia and later in Yugoslavia. One of the most distinguishing combat formations were members of the Turkistan Legion. The Legion was formed in the spring of 1942 as part of the German 162nd Infantry Division, referred as the "Turkoman Division." It saw extensive action in Yugoslavia and Italy. In November 1943, the "Ostmanische SS-Division" was formed comprising of three separate eastern groups: Turkistan, Idel-ural and Crimea. Reichsführer Himmler was very interested in this Eastern SS formation because his intent was to utilize some of the cadre personal for a training unit with the hope of raising further Eastern volunteer units. Because of volunteer shortages the unit was later designated as "1. Ostmusselmanisches SS-Regiment" in July 1944. Finaly by October 1944, with more volunteers and conscriptions it was re-named as the "Osttürkischer Waffen-Verband der SS. By March 1945 the Azerbaijan legion was added. Below is a sample of insignias worn by members of the Turkistan Legion and Waffen-SS. Future legioneersGeneral isnpector of Eastern batallions Helmich during the visits to one of the Turkistan batallionsLegion uniform Dogtag of Turkistan legioneeraxis101.bizland.com/EasternVolunteers1.htmflagspot.net/flags/de%5E941eu.html
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on Sept 11, 2006 6:00:38 GMT 3
1. Corporal of the Turkestan legion with batallion banner, 1943 2. Soldier of the Volga Tatar legion, 1944 3. Soldier of a Turkestan worker battalion, 6-7. Variants of arm signs 4 Volga Tatar legions. 8-9. A cocarde and arm bandage of the Tatar volunteers in the German auxiliary service of air defence. ------------------------------------- 1. Rottenfuhrer of the assault group "Turkestan" of East-Turkic SS army, 1944-1945 2. Arm lent of East-Turkic SS 3. Sharfuhrer of North Caucasian assault group of the Caucasian SS army, 1945 4. Soldier of Caucasian SS parts, 1944-1945 5-6. Variants arm signs on the Crimean Tatar formations. 7. Arm sign of Kalmyk cavallry case
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Post by Bor Chono on Sept 11, 2006 13:06:43 GMT 3
Nice info!!! Thanks!
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