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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 21, 2006 19:54:19 GMT 3
chono did you entered the tournement this year ;D No I heard a fairy tale about a hero who took off his boot to defeate a Monster. He took power directly from earth(=Mother Earth). Monster was also naked! (Grandpa told me).
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 22, 2006 4:41:22 GMT 3
Let me add more my opinion : Well..yes! Buryats were doing their best killing all foreigners. hehehe... False! He had an idea to unite all Buddist using Dalai Lama XIII & begin the legendary War of Shambal. The centre of his Empire would be Tibet or Mongolia not China. Because it seemed easy to control Mongols & Tibetians with their religion. For Chinese they didn`t considered Dalai Lama as Holy man. My family knows one Jew!(=Mother`s friend) He took a Mongol wife & live in Mongolia -I don`t know about his job, I guess work with a lot of money. He seemed nice person. hehehe.. I heard that, Mongols had to pay much money to Jew & Chinese tradesmen. Baron killed them & took their money. Mongols found it helpful! hehehe... Mahakala is God of War who sits on mountain of skulls & drinks from river of blood. I guess not only his cross also ring of The Great Khaan. I heard that Bogda Gegeen gave the ring of The Great Khaan!? saying : "My God of War! U(=your spirit) will not die, U will return in more powerful form"=Adolf Hitler I guess.!?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 22, 2006 9:03:38 GMT 3
Adolf Hitler was already a grown-up man by that time
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 22, 2006 14:21:33 GMT 3
Cannot be Hitler, because Hitler was totally Bavarian (Austrians are mostly Bavarians), but Ungern had much Eastern-blood. Don't forget that he had alot of Finnic blood too (Estonian), so his new form could not be in man who had no connections to us. Maybe Himmler, because Himmler had some similar ideas actually and Himmler was Baltic-Prussian and partly Lithuanian-Tatar.
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 23, 2006 0:44:38 GMT 3
those are really nonsentical claims. Ungern-Sternberg was 100% NOT Hun and what is your claim he wa partly Estonian? and i can assure you Himmler was 100% Catholic Bavarian, there was nothing Baltic-Prussian (=Protestant) about him and he was 100% NOT Lithuanian-Tatar...
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 23, 2006 1:13:53 GMT 3
those are really nonsentical claims. Ungern-Sternberg was 100% NOT Hun and what is your claim he wa partly Estonian? and i can assure you Himmler was 100% Catholic Bavarian, there was nothing Baltic-Prussian (=Protestant) about him and he was 100% NOT Lithuanian-Tatar... One of Ungern's ancestor was member of Huns royal family, and remember that Huns ruled large area so of course they left their blood there. Sternberg means Star-Mountain (Tähtmägi in Estonian, Tähtivuori in Finnish) and in Baltic Sea areas that was old Shamanic-family. Those crusaders who came here melt quite quickly to local population, so Ungern had Estonian blood. What researches you have about Himmler? Baltic-Prussians are not Germanics, but Baltics (Related to Finnics also). How can you be sure that Himmler was not partly Lithuanian-Tatar? Bavarians usually not look like him...
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 23, 2006 6:58:34 GMT 3
Adolf Hitler was already a grown-up man by that time In Buddist way human borns again & again. But GOD spirit=Burkhan is also a spirit that travels -not stays in one place. Ppl prey to call it. They sometimes enter human bodies. These humans will get power over others.
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 23, 2006 13:38:04 GMT 3
Hey guys! Do you know that 14th Dalai Lama is right now(visiting) here in Mongolia!? Compare to Cristian Pasters(-?) he doesn`t promise miracles! hehehe... Russia always refused to welcome Dalai Lama because of China -I think Russia is weak. Compare to Russia, Mongols are (fully) economically dependant from China, but Mongols don`t care! If Dalai Lama wishes Mongols gladly welcome him. Mongols give huge attention to religions. (Even Feng shui is getting popular! ) Back to Topic! Ask any Mongolian Buddist who is Baron Ungern or Adolf Hitler! -They all will answer "Hargis bachka!"="Savage dude!", maybe some might say like me "-actually, he was a good guy!". ;D However ask any Cristian Mongol! -I think U know the answer! -AntiCrist. Bastard..etc The point is if Baron didn`t enter Mongolia, Red Russians wouldn`t help Mongols. Today Ar Mongolia could be one of Chinese colonies. He had a key role in Mongolian history.(-will of Tengri!? ) OR! Maybe Dalai Lama XIII used him as chess piece!? He just needed any commander of White Russians to enter Mongolia.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 23, 2006 18:38:48 GMT 3
He also kicked chinese out from your capitol city. Well, I don't think that chinese warlords or guomindang could not manage to conquer Mongolia, but after WWII maybe would happened same as Tibet and East-Turkestan... My question is that why christian Mongolians are against him so much?
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Post by Temüjin on Aug 23, 2006 21:24:48 GMT 3
One of Ungern's ancestor was member of Huns royal family, and remember that Huns ruled large area so of course they left their blood there. nonsense. no German noble family can trace back their roots further than 13th century... false. Sternberg means star-mountain in GERMAN because he was of German descendance. Germans, especially those of the nobility never mixed with natives. nobles don't even mix with non-nobes. you can read everywhere that Himmler was born in Munich and was of catholic faith. what the hell are you even talking about Prussians and Tatars??
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 24, 2006 0:09:27 GMT 3
Yes they can.
I know what it means in german. For example here Finnish noble-families took swedish names, when crusaders conquered country, so naturally they did same in Estonia, when crusaders smashed that area (german names though). Yes, originally his family had German blood, but that melt away.
Other example are Hohenzollern. They were originally German, but they mixed with Prussians, so Wilhelm II was only few % German anymore.
Yes, he was born in Munich, but what means where you have born?
About Catholicism: Most Original-Prussians are Catholics (actually just belong that church).
Prussians are not Germanics, but Baltics and genetically near of Finno-Ugrics.
(Maybe that's why Germany have been strong only when Prussians had led it ;D )
And about Tatars: There lives Tatars in Baltic states, and have lived over hundred year.
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 24, 2006 13:20:15 GMT 3
My question is that why christian Mongolians are against him so much? I would say they are not against him but against Buddism. Because he is a Buddist hero -but there is no Buddist Holy Images of him still... Cristianity is trying get powerful in Mongolia -mostly Korean curches. They (will use any mistakes) claim that Buddism gave nothing to Mongolian ppl & their leaders were dumb ppl -it is because : if a family has more than 2 sons one of them become a Lama(=priest, monk), mostly dumb ones become Lama. (I know that ppl who don`t follow their traditions become Cristians & poor ppl. Noble families do follow their traditions.) Remember! Ungern von Sternberg was declared to be a Mahakala incarnation by the Dalai Lama XIII -The argument is he was defeated, so it seems like Mahakala(God of war) is weak(=false) god...etc. I can order a holy image of him if I have a money -I mean I can ask a god painter Lama to create a holy image of him, it is possible if U have good money!. It is allowed to worship to any kind of God if it is created & made life(=Aravnailah -U can understand it as "to Purify", they read preys to call the spirit) in Buddist temple & if U can handle it`s power -Mongolian Buddists think that some gods just can kill U. Imagine I have a holy image of Ungern at home! -maybe I can get mad, who knows. ;D
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 24, 2006 13:33:37 GMT 3
My question is that why christian Mongolians are against him so much? I would say they are not against him but against Buddism. Because he is a Buddist hero -but there is no Buddist Holy Images of him still... Cristianity is trying get powerful in Mongolia -mostly Korean curches. They (will use any mistakes) claim that Buddism gave nothing to Mongolian ppl & their leaders were dumb ppl -it is because : if a family has more than 2 sons one of them become a Lama(=priest, monk), mostly dumb ones become Lama. (I know that ppl who don`t follow their traditions become Cristians & poor ppl. Noble families do follow their traditions.) Remember! Ungern von Sternberg was declared to be a Mahakala incarnation by the Dalai Lama XIII -The argument is he was defeated, so it seems like Mahakala(God of war) is weak(=false) god...etc. I can order a holy image of him if I have a money -I mean I can ask a god painter Lama to create a holy image of him, it is possible if U have good money!. It is allowed to worship to any kind of God if it is created & made life(=Aravnailah -U can understand it as "to Purify", they read preys to call the spirit) in Buddist temple & if U can handle it`s power -Mongolian Buddists think that some gods just can kill U. Imagine I have a holy image of Ungern at home! -maybe I can get mad, who knows. ;D When I get student-loan, I want to buy that one.
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Post by Bor Chono on Aug 24, 2006 13:36:10 GMT 3
When I get student-loan, I want to buy that one. I said I haven`t. U can order one in Buddist Temple.
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 24, 2006 13:43:18 GMT 3
When I get student-loan, I want to buy that one. I said I haven`t. U can order one in Buddist Temple. I know that you have not. Well, I should contact to Finnish-Mongolian society. Maybe they can order easily and give informations.
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