Post by Subu'atai on Jun 10, 2008 13:29:27 GMT 3
I know this is an old thread but wat the heck, all threads are old here heh
Ok at first I was like, "Wat?" That's all you're gonna include?! And why include a non-Altaic peoples such as the Tajiks. If this union has any dreams of being the first step of the grander plan of a complete Altaic union we have to be careful which foreigners we can trust yet do not make them feel like outsiders either somehow.
Personally I feel Koreans or Japanese are 'claimants' of Altai legacy rather then Altaics, they seem to be completely sinified in my opinion. I can't see any Mongolian agreeing with a union with them unfortunately.
However, Japan IS very powerful, although its power has somewhat been hampened by American occupation - they are a fully developed nation, excellent for the economy from the East. But I don't see how this measure can stand considering our people are so different. Besides you have to somehow free up Manchuria to get there, and somehow deal with Korea's division problem as well.
For the economy of the Altaic nations - it's the 21st century where being landlocked - trade has become a serious, serious problem as foreign businesses decide to trade with cheaper options as well. However, if there is an Altai Union in the far future (I'm not just talking CAU, or SCU or EAU or NAU, but complete political unity). We can open up our trade roots along two following oceans:
1) Mediterreanean (Turkey), Pacific (Siberia/Korea/Japan/Tungid)
The problem with both Turkish medittereanean coast and Tungid/Korea/Japan trade is similar. Foreign borders in the bloody way dividing these coastal nations from central Asia!!!! Go figure, it's like someone engineered this dilemma.
Ne ways, that's one problem, another problem is occupation, Uyghurs in China, Tsahars in China, Buryats in Russia, Tuvans/etc in Russia, Siberians just too few to stage a resistance effort as well. All cramming us in.
@feramez211
Siberia was a lost opportunity for Chinese, yes I can see this happening. Isolating themselves allowing the Ruskies to militarise and reinforce their eastern positions was one of their greatest mistakes, if they wanted Siberia, they could have taken it centuries ago when the Cossacks reached the pacific and stretched themselves thin. This calls for unity even with occupied Altaics as both Sino and Rus powers are always ready to tap the spoils of anymore Altai division.
Ok at first I was like, "Wat?" That's all you're gonna include?! And why include a non-Altaic peoples such as the Tajiks. If this union has any dreams of being the first step of the grander plan of a complete Altaic union we have to be careful which foreigners we can trust yet do not make them feel like outsiders either somehow.
Personally I feel Koreans or Japanese are 'claimants' of Altai legacy rather then Altaics, they seem to be completely sinified in my opinion. I can't see any Mongolian agreeing with a union with them unfortunately.
However, Japan IS very powerful, although its power has somewhat been hampened by American occupation - they are a fully developed nation, excellent for the economy from the East. But I don't see how this measure can stand considering our people are so different. Besides you have to somehow free up Manchuria to get there, and somehow deal with Korea's division problem as well.
For the economy of the Altaic nations - it's the 21st century where being landlocked - trade has become a serious, serious problem as foreign businesses decide to trade with cheaper options as well. However, if there is an Altai Union in the far future (I'm not just talking CAU, or SCU or EAU or NAU, but complete political unity). We can open up our trade roots along two following oceans:
1) Mediterreanean (Turkey), Pacific (Siberia/Korea/Japan/Tungid)
The problem with both Turkish medittereanean coast and Tungid/Korea/Japan trade is similar. Foreign borders in the bloody way dividing these coastal nations from central Asia!!!! Go figure, it's like someone engineered this dilemma.
Ne ways, that's one problem, another problem is occupation, Uyghurs in China, Tsahars in China, Buryats in Russia, Tuvans/etc in Russia, Siberians just too few to stage a resistance effort as well. All cramming us in.
@feramez211
Siberia was a lost opportunity for Chinese, yes I can see this happening. Isolating themselves allowing the Ruskies to militarise and reinforce their eastern positions was one of their greatest mistakes, if they wanted Siberia, they could have taken it centuries ago when the Cossacks reached the pacific and stretched themselves thin. This calls for unity even with occupied Altaics as both Sino and Rus powers are always ready to tap the spoils of anymore Altai division.