Mahmud Kashgari

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Mahmud Kashgari May 10, 2007 1:10:08 GMT 3

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Post by nisse on May 10, 2007 1:10:08 GMT 3

hello there, i wonder that you know about mahmud kashgari,

didi you know that his books is forbidden in Iran,maybe due to the national turkism that the books contain, and the anti-persian statmenst made by kashgari.

I wonder what you guys know about him, which books we wrote and which is in still use today, thanks

Mahmud ibn Hussayn ibn Muhammad al-Kashgari (Arabic: محمود بن الحسين بن محمد الكاشغري; Turkish: Kaşgarlı Mahmud), born in 1008, was an early Turkic[1][2][3] linguist of Turkic languages from the Kara-Khanid Khanate, born in Kashgar, East Turkestan. He was a renowned scholar and lexicographer of Turkic dialects.

His father, Husayn, was the mayor of Barsgan and related to the Karakhanid ruling dynasty. His mother, Bibi Rābiy'a al-Basrī, was of Arab descent.[citation needed] He studied Turkic dialects and wrote the first comprehensive dictionary of Turkic languages, the Dīwān ul-Lughat al-Turk (Arabic: "collection of Turkic words") in 1072. It was intended for use by the Caliphs of Baghdad, the new, Arabic allies of the Turks. Mahmud Kashgari's comprehensive dictionary contains specimens of old Turkic poetry in the typical form of quatrains (Persian/Arabic: رباعیات rubāiyāt; Turkish: dörtlük), representing all the principal genres: epic, pastoral, didactic, lyric, and elegiac. His book also included the first known map of the areas inhabited by Turkic peoples.

taken from wikipedia,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_Kashgari

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Mahmud Kashgari May 10, 2007 5:54:16 GMT 3

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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 10, 2007 5:54:16 GMT 3

Mahmud Kashgari's map of the Turkic world, late 11th century.

North is on the left. The thick orange lines are mountains. Green is water.

Original:

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Translation:

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nisse Irkin Khan Tughrul Beg Posts: 395	Mahmud Kashgari May 10, 2007 15:33:40 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by nisse on May 10, 2007 15:33:40 GMT 3 with todays technology and know-how we can see how the world looks, that map is far away from it, what is what in that map
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H. İhsan Erkoç Qaghan Qaghan of the Steppe History Forum Posts: 7,191	Mahmud Kashgari May 11, 2007 19:33:41 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 11, 2007 19:33:41 GMT 3 It's interesting that he speaks about the Japanese.
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nisse Irkin Khan Tughrul Beg Posts: 395	Mahmud Kashgari May 11, 2007 19:36:15 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by nisse on May 11, 2007 19:36:15 GMT 3 It's interesting that he speaks about the Japanese. I didn't know that he knew that Japan existed, what did he say about them
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H. İhsan Erkoç Qaghan Qaghan of the Steppe History Forum Posts: 7,191	Mahmud Kashgari May 11, 2007 19:40:25 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 11, 2007 19:40:25 GMT 3 Look at the very top of the map. He also counts them among the list of Turkic tribes, in the beginning of the book. Dîwânu Lughâti't-Turk is a very important book for Turkic cultural history.
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nisse Irkin Khan Tughrul Beg Posts: 395	Mahmud Kashgari May 11, 2007 19:42:34 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by nisse on May 11, 2007 19:42:34 GMT 3 I cant find it , but I beleive you,
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H. İhsan Erkoç Qaghan Qaghan of the Steppe History Forum Posts: 7,191	Mahmud Kashgari May 14, 2007 0:20:59 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 14, 2007 0:20:59 GMT 3 What do you think Jâbarqâ stands for? I really wonder how he heard about the Japanese.
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nisse Irkin Khan Tughrul Beg Posts: 395	Mahmud Kashgari May 14, 2007 1:29:06 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by nisse on May 14, 2007 1:29:06 GMT 3 What do you think Jâbarqâ stands for? As I said , I believe in what you say, but how shall I know that he called japan for jabarqa
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uyghur Är essalamu ,eleykom Posts: 15	Mahmud Kashgari Sept 30, 2007 17:04:56 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by uyghur on Sept 30, 2007 17:04:56 GMT 3 esslamu eleykom dostlar!( hello every one)

jalair Är Posts: 6	Mahmud Kashgari Dec 24, 2007 23:42:11 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jalair on Dec 24, 2007 23:42:11 GMT 3 Did he have any other books?

jalair Är Posts: 6	Mahmud Kashgari Dec 24, 2007 23:45:38 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jalair on Dec 24, 2007 23:45:38 GMT 3 Any links if Dîwân ul-Lughat al-Turk is available online?

H. İhsan Erkoç Qaghan Qaghan of the Steppe History Forum Posts: 7,191	Mahmud Kashgari Dec 25, 2007 13:13:01 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 25, 2007 13:13:01 GMT 3 Yes, he had one more book, another Turkic lexicon, but it's lost I don't think the Dîwân has an online version, I wish it had
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Atabeg Chor Ahiska Flag Posts: 1,258	Mahmud Kashgari Dec 27, 2007 12:32:14 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Atabeg on Dec 27, 2007 12:32:14 GMT 3 You can buy it in simple Anatolian turkish right?
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H. İhsan Erkoç Qaghan Qaghan of the Steppe History Forum Posts: 7,191	Mahmud Kashgari Dec 28, 2007 22:27:48 GMT 3 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 28, 2007 22:27:48 GMT 3 Yes, several editions have been published I have the Turkish Language Association (Türk Dil Kurumu) version.
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 10, 2007 5:54:16 GMT 3

Post by nisse on May 10, 2007 15:33:40 GMT 3

Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 11, 2007 19:33:41 GMT 3

Post by nisse on May 11, 2007 19:36:15 GMT 3

Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 11, 2007 19:40:25 GMT 3

Post by nisse on May 11, 2007 19:42:34 GMT 3

Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 14, 2007 0:20:59 GMT 3

Post by nisse on May 14, 2007 1:29:06 GMT 3

Post by uyghur on Sept 30, 2007 17:04:56 GMT 3

Post by jalair on Dec 24, 2007 23:42:11 GMT 3

Post by jalair on Dec 24, 2007 23:45:38 GMT 3

Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 25, 2007 13:13:01 GMT 3

Post by Atabeg on Dec 27, 2007 12:32:14 GMT 3

Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 28, 2007 22:27:48 GMT 3