Post by realhun on Mar 30, 2009 21:54:00 GMT 3
Hello Temur,
I'm replying to your last posting on this thread. It's all relative. The Chinese and Europeans have different view points about the history and migration of the Hun. However, one thing is certain. The Hun Empire was at it's greatest strength during the same period of time that the Chinese Han claim that they militarily defeated the Hun. I've often wondered whether this was really true.
No matter which ethnic group is involved in military, economic and social conflict, you 're always going to portray your enemy in a bad light. Right? You have to know that the Roman Empire was very large and continually expanding during the 1st. and 2nd. Han Dynasties. In fact, it was during the 1st. Han Dynasty that the Roman Empire began to expand into Eurasia. The Romans were using the Gothic Germanic people as a buffer to the East for their empire. Something else that is very important to consider is the fact that the Silk Road was in full effect for trade between the Far East and the Near East during the Han Dynasties. The trade routes went right through Hun territory and they controlled the flow of trade between East and West. Don't you think the Hun learned about the expansive Roman Empire and all of it's wealth? Isn't it very possible that as the Hun territory was further encroached upon by the Gothic/Germanic peoples and the Roman Empire that they began to view them as a bigger threat to their land? Also, don't you think it's very possible that as the Hun learned more about the Roman Empire and all of it's wealth that they decided to take their focus off of China advancing Westward to address this ever increasing threat and partake of that wealth/prestige?
During the time of the Hun invasion of Europe and ever since then other Europeans have always mentioned the Huns in a bad light. They call the Hun "The scourge of God" and describe them in a very demeaning way as if they were completely uncivilized. However, Europeans now know this was far from the truth based on more recent archeological evidence that has been discovered in recent years throughout Central, Eastern Europe and Eurasia. It's been determined through recent archeological evidence that both the Hun and the Avars possessed a very significant level of culture in every aspect. You should read a more recent book entitled "The Goths" written by an English scholar and archeologist named Peter Heather. There's no way the Huns could have defeated and ruled over as many people as they did for as long as they did from the inception of their empire if they were so uncultured and inferior.
It's a fact that the Huns, Avars and Magyars controlled and ruled over a very large part of Europe for about 1,500 years. That's a very long time! It's also a fact that the Magyar language was the third most widely spoken language on the European Continent for about 1,000 years, right up until the end of WWI. That's also a very long time! It's also a fact that Hungary was the first and only unified country on the European Continent for almost 1,000 years beginning in about 1,000 Ad. This is also a very long time! Hungary lost about 2/3's of it's territory after WWI because of a war they didn't start nor wanted to be involved with in the first place!
When they invaded Europe nothing could stop them! The Hun advanced all the way to Central France before being halted by a huge battle that ended in a draw. They then turned their eyes to Rome itself. I've read the only thing that stopped them from sacking and capturing Rome was the fact that the Hun warriors became significantly hampered by disease they had never been exposed to before and because of this they weren't very capable of launching a successful attack. Actually, I've read that the Hun warriors who didn't die from disease just remained in Northern Italy and over time they assimilated into the surrounding population. This was also true of some other areas of Europe in regards to assimilating into the local population over time.
I think it's always important and helpful to look at both sides of the coin when discussing any situation. ;D
The Real Hun - Hajos
I'm replying to your last posting on this thread. It's all relative. The Chinese and Europeans have different view points about the history and migration of the Hun. However, one thing is certain. The Hun Empire was at it's greatest strength during the same period of time that the Chinese Han claim that they militarily defeated the Hun. I've often wondered whether this was really true.
No matter which ethnic group is involved in military, economic and social conflict, you 're always going to portray your enemy in a bad light. Right? You have to know that the Roman Empire was very large and continually expanding during the 1st. and 2nd. Han Dynasties. In fact, it was during the 1st. Han Dynasty that the Roman Empire began to expand into Eurasia. The Romans were using the Gothic Germanic people as a buffer to the East for their empire. Something else that is very important to consider is the fact that the Silk Road was in full effect for trade between the Far East and the Near East during the Han Dynasties. The trade routes went right through Hun territory and they controlled the flow of trade between East and West. Don't you think the Hun learned about the expansive Roman Empire and all of it's wealth? Isn't it very possible that as the Hun territory was further encroached upon by the Gothic/Germanic peoples and the Roman Empire that they began to view them as a bigger threat to their land? Also, don't you think it's very possible that as the Hun learned more about the Roman Empire and all of it's wealth that they decided to take their focus off of China advancing Westward to address this ever increasing threat and partake of that wealth/prestige?
During the time of the Hun invasion of Europe and ever since then other Europeans have always mentioned the Huns in a bad light. They call the Hun "The scourge of God" and describe them in a very demeaning way as if they were completely uncivilized. However, Europeans now know this was far from the truth based on more recent archeological evidence that has been discovered in recent years throughout Central, Eastern Europe and Eurasia. It's been determined through recent archeological evidence that both the Hun and the Avars possessed a very significant level of culture in every aspect. You should read a more recent book entitled "The Goths" written by an English scholar and archeologist named Peter Heather. There's no way the Huns could have defeated and ruled over as many people as they did for as long as they did from the inception of their empire if they were so uncultured and inferior.
It's a fact that the Huns, Avars and Magyars controlled and ruled over a very large part of Europe for about 1,500 years. That's a very long time! It's also a fact that the Magyar language was the third most widely spoken language on the European Continent for about 1,000 years, right up until the end of WWI. That's also a very long time! It's also a fact that Hungary was the first and only unified country on the European Continent for almost 1,000 years beginning in about 1,000 Ad. This is also a very long time! Hungary lost about 2/3's of it's territory after WWI because of a war they didn't start nor wanted to be involved with in the first place!
When they invaded Europe nothing could stop them! The Hun advanced all the way to Central France before being halted by a huge battle that ended in a draw. They then turned their eyes to Rome itself. I've read the only thing that stopped them from sacking and capturing Rome was the fact that the Hun warriors became significantly hampered by disease they had never been exposed to before and because of this they weren't very capable of launching a successful attack. Actually, I've read that the Hun warriors who didn't die from disease just remained in Northern Italy and over time they assimilated into the surrounding population. This was also true of some other areas of Europe in regards to assimilating into the local population over time.
I think it's always important and helpful to look at both sides of the coin when discussing any situation. ;D
The Real Hun - Hajos