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Post by Azadan Januspar on May 18, 2010 1:19:30 GMT 3
There's a name and cognomen which some Iranians bear that is "Sarmad" and "Sarmadi". In Persian 'sarmad' means eternal, everlasting or continuous. There is another compound adjective "Sarāmad" which means the one who overcomes the rest , lit. the superior or the best.
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Post by Yazig on Feb 29, 2012 22:24:01 GMT 3
Ihsan, can you please re-post those images and add some more if you have any? I could really use it now.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Feb 29, 2012 22:35:59 GMT 3
I would, in my free time.
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Post by Yazig on Mar 1, 2012 20:15:07 GMT 3
Thank you.
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Post by tuisku on Dec 6, 2012 21:45:27 GMT 3
I have been wondering what could have been the role of the Finnic people in forming the ethnicity of the Sarmatians. This has crossed to my mind after seeing some old medieval map in which the White Sea was named as Sarmatian Sea. When thinking of slavic expansion that took place after 600 AD or so, before that the northern regions from Baltic Sea to Urals were occupied largely by Finno-Ugric tribes and still partly are (finns, ests, ves, komi, mari, mordva etc). Actually, not to consider them as partially shaping up the ethnicities within the region would just be inappropriately performed research. Actually, it would be interesting to set up an hypothesis that Sarmatian ethnicity would have been formed on the basis of those Finno-Ugric and Uralic tribes and the Scythian ethnicity on Altaic (and Uralic). Maybe later these two were merged within Hunnic identity and affected even by Gothic. Possibly the strongly supported pure Indo-European ethnicity would not be needed at all to explain the history of the steppes.
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Post by Ardavarz on Dec 7, 2012 0:37:36 GMT 3
Well, medieval maps not always can be trusted to reveal the actual names of places and people - it was common practice to use ancient names for distant or newly discovered places or simply as metaphors. For instance the polar map of Mercator (1595) shows a "Scythian Ocean" (Oceanus Scythicus) against Siberia (between Novaya Zemlya and Chukchi Peninsula), but I doubt it has anything to do with the ancient Scythians: libweb5.princeton.edu/visual_materials/maps/websites/northwest-passage/mercator.htm From the other hand there was indeed some other ethnic and/or linguistic element mixed with Sarmatians: as Herodotus wrote once they spoke "distorted Scythian" language and he believed this was because of their relation with the Amazons (whoever they may have been).
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Post by sarmat on Dec 7, 2012 1:37:19 GMT 3
I have been wondering what could have been the role of the Finnic people in forming the ethnicity of the Sarmatians. This has crossed to my mind after seeing some old medieval map in which the White Sea was named as Sarmatian Sea. When thinking of slavic expansion that took place after 600 AD or so, before that the northern regions from Baltic Sea to Urals were occupied largely by Finno-Ugric tribes and still partly are (finns, ests, ves, komi, mari, mordva etc). Actually, not to consider them as partially shaping up the ethnicities within the region would just be inappropriately performed research. Actually, it would be interesting to set up an hypothesis that Sarmatian ethnicity would have been formed on the basis of those Finno-Ugric and Uralic tribes and the Scythian ethnicity on Altaic (and Uralic). Maybe later these two were merged within Hunnic identity and affected even by Gothic. Possibly the strongly supported pure Indo-European ethnicity would not be needed at all to explain the history of the steppes. Such hypos already exist. And on another hand you clearly can see that mixtures like that happened, like in the Hungarian case there are distinct Sarmatian influences and also there numerous Iranic roots discovered in different Finnic languages of the Great Russian Plain...
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