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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 14, 2006 1:20:10 GMT 3
Thx for that info, you have destroyed my little, pure, poor theory and you disobeyed the rhyme... Well, facts are hard to accept But it says Itil Moran, Tarang Moran in the legend of Oghuz. Maybe moran could be an older version of Müren. Can't? Hmmm I don't know
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Post by Boorchi Noyan on Aug 15, 2006 20:18:12 GMT 3
WELL UP TO NOW WE HAVE MADE A BIG MİSTAKE, (it's all your fault Tengrikut ) Taluy is not river it is Sea. River is MUREN.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 16, 2006 1:17:54 GMT 3
if you live in an english speaking country thats not cool
like if you live in france and your name is mert(brave) it means nuts in french
that sucks
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 16, 2006 10:17:48 GMT 3
if you live in an english speaking country thats not cool like if you live in france and your name is mert(brave) it means nuts in french that sucks lol it must be so nervously ;D
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Apr 21, 2008 22:09:41 GMT 3
Yes the theory says that the names Danube, Dnieper, Dniester and Don have old iranian or celtic origin and according to Mallory, J.P. and D.Q. Adams in The Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture the name Danu means river which is very similar to Celtic Danu ; And Mallory, J.P. and Victor H. Mair in The Tarim Mummies the name Dniester is from Sarmatian "Dānu nazdya " the close river and Dnieper is from "Dānu apara " the river on the far side".
That was what I extracted from Wikipedia.
In Pahlavi there are words that sounds like cognates:
- the suffix -danb meaning coast, shore (in persian Kenare or Rudbar), which is also incorporated in persian word Damavand from Danb-a-vand also Dunb-avand.
- the suffix -dan meaning place, location.
there are also other nouns in Pahlavi language meaning river like: rot (persian rūd): river. There is also the noun Daitya in Avestan referring to a sacred river in Eranvaej and I should say Persians in the past specially before Islam and at the time of Sassanians sometimes used the name Dariya for rivers (especially big ones) which also means Sea. for example in Dinouri's Akhbar al-Taval though arabic tehre is a direct citation " Ey grouhe araban, dariyā dariyāy e māst o shomā rā az ān na bāyad gozashtan" ( O group of Arabs!, this river is ours and you may not pass it).
in Sanskrit there is this Danu which means drop, fluid. And according to Pokorny in Proto-Indo-European dā- means river , to flow.
I'd like to know more about the other theory which claims turkic origins. could you put some links here Ihsan?
About the Iazyges in Osprey: The Sarmatians was written that there's no suggestion on the etymology of their name yet their name was always followed by Sarmata. Plus some say there's this disputed relation between them and Jassones (whose language was like that of Alans) of Hungary.
I tried to search about the Tomyris etymological relation with turkic Temur on the internet but the majority of the sites with that claim were turkish so I couldnt catch anything.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 22, 2008 13:56:08 GMT 3
Thank you very much for the information, they will be great help for me There is this web site in English and Russian which has many articles concerning controversial issues regarding Eurasian History, which includes works about the Scythians, Saka and Sarmatians, but I don't find all of the works believeable, since at least some of them are written for the sake of prooving something, instead of trying to find out a result. The website is www.turkicworld.org
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