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Post by firdus on Mar 1, 2005 15:27:26 GMT 3
Is turk looking like mogolian before they move to central asia and onther parts of the world?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Mar 4, 2005 22:27:37 GMT 3
Hmm even most of the Turkics of Central Asia still look Mongoloid  Just go to my "Pictures about the Tujue" thread in the Gök Türk-Uyghur board and look at the pictures  |
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 17, 2005 10:18:23 GMT 3
Turks/Tyrks before the mongol invazion we bright color people! Kypchaks for example and most of Kazaks (Other Tyrk tribes that uniter in 15 century) had green eyes, light brown hair and white more yellow skin. While kyrgiz looked: tall, blue eyes and white more european. You can still find people like that in kazakstan and Kyrgistan.
After mongols most of Tyrks are medium height, dark hair, brown eyes, dark skin!
The winner takes the best land, women and horses!!!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 19, 2005 0:07:48 GMT 3
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on Apr 27, 2005 21:53:42 GMT 3
Do you realy think its looks like mongoloids  First I don't think is 700 years old. (Mongols conqued the stepps around 1250 +/- doesn't make a difference now) Secondly its realy hard to say that from sizes of the statu and its looks. (Have you seen Lenin the Russian Revolutia Leader. Do you know that different nation draw the picture to him differently. In Russia he has more Russian looks, In China he looks like chineese, in Uzbekistan he looks like more uzbek. )Third don't rely on the stone. If you will be around the Central Asia ask people how did the pure kazakh or Kyrgiz looks like and do they know one! I am shore you will get the answere. ask me.. ;D I am kypchak, my friends are Kyrgiz and mongols and we don't look the same! |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 30, 2005 2:22:43 GMT 3
Yes they are mostly Mongoloid (tell me how Caucasoid they look like  ). However, most of the Turkic peoples weren't completely Mongoloid as they had elements from the Caucasoid race too. For example, Chinese sources describe the Dingling people as their bodies being covered with lots of body hair. This doesn't mean that the Turkics were pure Causacoid. Don't confuse the terms "Mongoloid" and "Mongol". I gave you examples of how early medieval Turks looked like, you can't deny the evidences. Most of these statues were made by the Turks themselves. Because the Mongoloid Race has many types among itself (just like how all Caucasoids or all Negroids don't look like the same). |
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Post by ren on May 3, 2005 5:01:02 GMT 3
What do the Chinese sources say about the first Turks? I think the first Turks, originating in Mongolia, were most likely predominantly "Mongoloid", with some Indo-European admixture. So, they were probably Turanians to begin with, but heavily "Mongoloid", like modern Kazakhs. Analysis of 2,000 years old Xiongnu graves in northern Mongolia turned out 89% Eastern mtDNA (maternal lineage) and 11% Western ones. There was for sure some contact with the Scytho-nomads (Indo-Europeans), who reached into the Altais (NW Mongolia) and whose horse ways the Xiongnu adopted. (Have you seen Lenin the Russian Revolutia Leader. Do you know that different nation draw the picture to him differently. In Russia he has more Russian looks, In China he looks like chineese The Lenins I've seen in China look like Lenin, not Chinese. 1. Before the Turks in Central Asia, there were the Indo-European peoples. 2. Eastern mtDNA started showing up in Central Asia before the arrival of the Turks (probably has to do with the Huns/Xiongnu). 3. The Mongols, even in their own hoards, were always a minority. Their population was really small. Add everything together, including the fact that Turks originated in Mongolia, where the Huns' bones tested for 89% Eastern mtDNA, (plus the Turks' own statues and the language being Altaic like Mongolic and Tungusic, with affinities with Korean and Japanese) and it is most likely the Turks were predominantly "Mongoloid". |
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 4, 2005 21:38:34 GMT 3
They describe how several Turkic peoples of late antiquity and early middle ages were formed, but they are rather confusing. Anyway, as I understood from them, the common ancestors (as the sources say) of all the Turkic peoples was a certain "Quanyi" people which was first mentioned in the events that took place in 2146 BC.
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on May 6, 2005 1:50:30 GMT 3
Guys I don't understand you! What was the question?! Do we (i mean nomads) looks like mongols?! It doesn't say are we humans or is our kind came from ADAM it says do we look like mongols! Ishan do you look like mongol mmm maybe yes. But not me nor most of the tyrks on the stepps of Deshty-Kypchak. The term Mongolois was created by europeans to unifi us with chineese, mongols, tyriks and other nations that lives on Asia but it doesn't mean we look like each other. So all you facts about mongoloids I think is pointless.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 6, 2005 19:56:15 GMT 3
Whether you deny it or not, most of the Turkic peoples were and are Mongoloid with a few Caucasoid features. "Mongoloid" doesn't mean "Mongol", it means a member of the "Yellow Race" (outdated term). What you say is like claiming that the French are not Caucasoid |
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Post by firdus on May 23, 2005 17:07:46 GMT 3
Ok,I think I should say something !
My dear friends ,
the problem among central asian is they all claim thenselves to be CAucasian ,but the truth is none of them are !excet the TAjik people !
to kazak ,I have to say I saw some kazak had green eyes , but most of them are heavily mogolian looking !for Kyrgiz ,if they say they are european ,that would be the most funny joke ! I have never seen a Kyrgiz looking like european in my life ,at least in O"zbekistan !just observe the revolution in Kyrgizton ,the people definely look like mogolian !for O'zbek ,you can serch our image in the net !
the only european looking in central asia is TaJIk!
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on May 23, 2005 20:20:55 GMT 3
Mmm I like that!
What does not kill you, make you stronger!!!
Yes approximatly 90% of Kyrgiz and 80% of Kazakhs looks like mongols or the best way to say like Central Asians. It was due to the geopolitical possition. Chinesess, Yigurs, Arabs, Mongols and Djungars not including local conflicts all influenced the lifehood of nomads. All for power and domination. Therefore Nomads never tried to build cities, nor settle in anyways. So that it will not motivate enemies to come with war, but it didn't help from the greedy nations. During all this times a scar was left on the face of the nomads. Now we are brown, yellow, red and white. We lost our pure blood line but we kept the traditions such as language, culture, history and land! We remember our ancestors and we know how they looked like.
In my consideration we look more like tyrks. Uniq and free. NOMAD
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Post by firdus on May 24, 2005 11:32:55 GMT 3
if you say central asian look like nowday toruk in Turkey ,I don't think so .Turkish look more like european and we (O'zbek ,Uyghur ,KAzak ,Kyrgiz ,Tatar and Turkmen ) look somewhere between mogolian and european!
one more thing ,O'zbek was not nomad for a long time !!!
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Post by Nomad (Daz) on May 24, 2005 16:00:21 GMT 3
I never mentioned that O'zbeks were nomads. More over the O'zbeks as nation was found at the begining of the 20 century and it bring up a lots of dibates. (conflicts) Nomads in Central Asia are tyriks not turks and its a big difference. It is due to the history, geographical location, nations that mixed their bloodlines and culture. Someone said Ukrane's girl are the most beautiful in the world because they combine German, Turk, Tyrik, Russian, Polish and Scandinavian blood in their veins. Therefore Nomads in Central Asia guess what? I think it's a good topic to chat about!!! Nomad
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 25, 2005 10:27:34 GMT 3
Who are the Tyrik? You mean Turkic? |
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Just go to my "Pictures about the Tujue" thread in the Gök Türk-Uyghur board and look at the pictures 
First I don't think is 700 years old. (Mongols conqued the stepps around 1250 +/- doesn't make a difference now) Secondly its realy hard to say that from sizes of the statu and its looks. (Have you seen Lenin the Russian Revolutia Leader. Do you know that different nation draw the picture to him differently. In Russia he has more Russian looks, In China he looks like chineese, in Uzbekistan he looks like more uzbek. )Third don't rely on the stone. If you will be around the Central Asia ask people how did the pure kazakh or Kyrgiz looks like and do they know one! I am shore you will get the answere. ask me.. ;D I am kypchak, my friends are Kyrgiz and mongols and we don't look the same! 
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