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Post by kokturk on May 10, 2007 1:13:40 GMT 3
Of course no, because most of the Turks of Anatolia are Turkmens.
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Post by nisse on May 10, 2007 1:29:53 GMT 3
I mean if there is difference with other turks in turkey, is it the same culture in istanbul as it is in ankara and other parts of turkey
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Post by BAWIR$AQ on May 10, 2007 6:57:55 GMT 3
As far as I know, the name "Turkmen" first emerged not in the time of Kok Turks, but after Central Asian Turks accepted Islam.
Moreover, "Turkmen" was a name of an Islamic Turks in opposition to the other non-Islamic pagan Turks, who were still known by their tribal name "Oghuz".
I find the theory that translates Turkmen as a "Turkic man", "Turkic person" the most believable.
Suffix -man/-men (probably of Indo-European origin) was widely used in Turkic languages to create one noun from the other nouns or verbs. For example, ataman (leader from "ata"), tercuman (translator from "tercume" - translation), oyretmen (teacher from "oyretmek").
Therefore, the new term "Turkmen" derived from the ancient name "Turk" to signify a new group which accepted Islam and migrated from Central Asia into Iran and the Middle East.
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Post by aca on May 10, 2007 15:10:38 GMT 3
As far as I know, the name "Turkmen" first emerged not in the time of Kok Turks, but after Central Asian Turks accepted Islam. Moreover, "Turkmen" was a name of an Islamic Turks in opposition to the other non-Islamic pagan Turks, who were still known by their tribal name "Oghuz". I find the theory that translates Turkmen as a "Turkic man", "Turkic person" the most believable. Suffix -man/-men (probably of Indo-European origin) was widely used in Turkic languages to create one noun from the other nouns or verbs. For example, ataman ( leader from "ata"), tercuman ( translator from "tercume" - translation), oyretmen ( teacher from "oyretmek"). Therefore, the new term "Turkmen" derived from the ancient name "Turk" to signify a new group which accepted Islam and migrated from Central Asia into Iran and the Middle East. That's right
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Post by nisse on May 10, 2007 15:26:34 GMT 3
but thats s wrong, I explained it to you before , check back in the topic
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 11, 2007 19:36:36 GMT 3
I find Bawirsaq Yabghu's explanation much more logical.
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Post by nisse on May 11, 2007 19:38:16 GMT 3
but thats wrong, its true that the first time turkmens where mentioned was during the late soghdaian period
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on May 14, 2007 0:49:04 GMT 3
Sorry but I can not believe that until you can provide us references.
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Post by nisse on May 14, 2007 1:33:44 GMT 3
ok, I will look it up
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Post by Atabeg on Dec 27, 2007 12:31:26 GMT 3
We still call us "Turkmens" in some pats of Türkiye, especially in Eastern and Southern parts. thats because the Turks are more liek minorities in those regions. The Kurds call us Rus just because we came from Russia back in the day ;D I allways found that amusing to hear
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 10, 2008 20:48:15 GMT 3
ROFLMAO, Russians ;D ;D
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Post by arnewise12 on Oct 28, 2008 3:38:50 GMT 3
what the most correct explanation on turkmen, is it turk and iman, meaning a turk with a faith , or turkmanad, from persian meaning look like turk, or from something else,
is it true that the oghuz that wasnt muslim called the muslim oghuz for turkmens
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Post by arnewise12 on Oct 28, 2008 3:39:54 GMT 3
the salar in china do they speak the same turkmen as in central asia and iran and afghanistan
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Oct 28, 2008 14:40:17 GMT 3
No, tercuman in some Turkic dialects has an Arabic root which itself borrowed this word from Pahlavi targumān.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Oct 28, 2008 14:55:33 GMT 3
what the most correct explanation on turkmen, is it turk and iman, meaning a turk with a faith , or turkmanad, from persian meaning look like turk, or from something else, I am still not sure which one is correct is it true that the oghuz that wasnt muslim called the muslim oghuz for turkmens The truth is, the earliest mention of the name Türkmen is seen for a group of Qarluqs who became Muslim in the 10th century. It was slightly later when the Oghuz who became Muslim were started to be called with that name.
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