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Post by sarmat on Jun 10, 2010 16:28:06 GMT 3
It's 1000% worse than Buddhism in my opinion
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 10, 2010 16:41:12 GMT 3
^ Agreed!
Heh I also wrote this:
;D
But that's just my views. I do attend church with my wife and daughter nowadays after opening up shop on Sundays. Even if I don't like how they still look at me as a "pagan demon-worshipper" "uncivilised barbarian" "a soul to be saved from the d*mning fires of hell!" and the worst in the past (they are getting more used to me); "negative influence on her" - in reference to my now wife.
All the while saying that they "dont hate me", they "hate my religion", and "hate how it's sending a nice guy like me to hell!" Hahaha ;D Gotta love churchies mate.
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Post by Bor Chono on Jun 10, 2010 17:25:09 GMT 3
Buddhism must leave Mongolia! I promised to defend the religion to my father`s father. But I started to think that it is not my duty to defend foreign ideals & foreign culture. I think Buddha was wrong when he said : Life is a suffering. Do you know Why? or When life is a suffering? -When there is no food. -When there is no home. -When there is no freedom. -When there is no justice. -When there is no purpose. We are warriors, we are not weak, we never give our freedom without fight, we have a purpose. And There is no such thing as BUDDHA OF JUSTICE! There is stupid Buddha of Wisdom! But No Buddha of Justice!
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 10, 2010 22:12:27 GMT 3
I was rather surprised when two Mormons came to proselytize at the home of my parents one day and one of them was Mongolian. Maybe the idea of baptism by proxy is appealing because it means even Genghis Khan can be "saved".
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Post by kenmirzz on Jun 11, 2010 5:33:26 GMT 3
Buddhism must leave Mongolia! I promised to defend the religion to my father`s father. But I started to think that it is not my duty to defend foreign ideals & foreign culture. I think Buddha was wrong when he said : Life is a suffering. Do you know Why? or When life is a suffering? -When there is no food. -When there is no home. -When there is no freedom. -When there is no justice. -When there is no purpose. We are warriors, we are not weak, we never give our freedom without fight, we have a purpose. And There is no such thing as BUDDHA OF JUSTICE! There is stupid Buddha of Wisdom! But No Buddha of Justice! Hello Mr Bor Chono, my wife is a Khalkh Mongol ,Buddhist, , so do all of her family members. I see them as a very peaceful, nice and respectable people. I think when Buddha said "Life is Suffering", it's not to be interpreted literally, but in metaphoric flavor. Buddha had many other quotes attributed to him that encourage freethinking, research of knowledge, and words of beautiful wisdom too, like this one: Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. Buddha However, when his philosophy transformed into something call "religion", it became stained due to political manipulation of corrupted leaders. I don't think to dismiss the whole Buddhist philosophy is wise. Just my two cents. My apology.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 11, 2010 18:44:49 GMT 3
kenmirzzThat goes for ALL religions. I also hate it when folks reckon Buddhism has clean hands. Pffft. Buddhist Mongols do also have a tendency to degrade our own warrior culture, some have even attempted to insult me saying that "Buddhism has failed to teach you the ways of peace", in which ironically, I consider that a compliment. I never lived a sheltered life, everything I have today, I worked my a-- off for it and many times especially during my youth I simply had to 'do what I had to do'. Submitting to a peaceful and pacifist viewpoint I would not have survived past 18. But being a warrior does not automatically mean going around starting fights etc. (Such is the stereotype) It's a way of life, acknowledging good and evil are two sides of the same coin, all in balance with nature. Now I'm not saying Buddhism doesn't have some good points. In my own belief, I feel Jebus AND Buddha both were great people, it's just the religion that resulted from it that screwed sh-t up. Ne ways, I wrote this years before learning about Tengriism: In which I've obviously failed in B recently =( Bah! Heh oh btw, if you are wondering why I call Jesus Jebus... Watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cl26POZGzA&feature=relatedxD hjernespiserFrom my experience churchies have a very warped-out view of Mongol history and thus I am very worried if Christian groups are entering schools in Ulaanbaatar for the vulnerable youths. There was once a Christian bloke who told me his version of history and he had ABSOLUTELY no idea there were even Nestorian Christians in the Mongol Ulus. Instead, he was propagating instead his warped-out "expertise" in history saying Mongols have been demon-worshipping and hence caused so many deaths and how they need to accept Jebus Christ urgently for their sins! Haha, I guess if you are Christian, you have the license to exterminate entire populations, religions, cultures, languages (colonial Europeans) in the name of "saving souls" but if you aren't a Christian then well, you're f--ked xD I guess sparing native populations, learning from native cultures, learning native languages, and building Churches, Mosques, Temples enforcing religious tolerance including making sure religious leaders do not pay tax - is the act of a barbarian!!!! He had no idea about Sorghaghtani or the fact of Nestorian Christians in Mongol Ulus either not to mention the Naiman tribe. I can't stand this BS from churchies to be honest. Hence I'm very picky with them, wifey has always been open-minded obviously, but she too was attacked FOR being open-minded. "Allowing yourself to polluted by lies", "don't question, just have faith" they say. She says "How can you have faith if you are afraid to question". Heh. Bleh, churchies... AND LOL @ this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU&feature=relatedxD
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Post by Bor Chono on Jun 15, 2010 7:39:07 GMT 3
The Teachings of Buddha is good. But The culture that comes with it sucks! There is no such thing as God of Money! Because in the begin-ing there was no such thing as Money! Buddha of Money sucks and looks like Chinese! Buddha of Wisdom also sucks. Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. -Buddha I never saw Buddha of Money so i think he is fake god!
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 15, 2010 15:56:50 GMT 3
The Teachings of Buddha is good. But The culture that comes with it sucks! Agreed. But Buddhism is still the lesser evil compared to the other two mainstream religions; Christianity and Islam. Though Liberal/Spiritual Christians like my wife (they are a rarity) are fine along with Sufist Islam. In the end it's up to the people. I also appreciate and support other paths of spirituality such as Zoroastrianism and Asatru. Zoroastrianism I don't know much about and have only met one. But that one person was simply incredible. I've voiced my views about them and others agree with me - Zoroastrians are great people. Asatru, same thing. However, from what I hear in the United States especially, about 50% of Westerners who 'claim' to have adopted Asatru, are actually all white supremists and tie in their limited knowledge of Asatru with their bogus Aryanism. Asatru however frowns on such: "Racism and racialism are weaknesses that threaten to undermine Asatru. This is the cultural counterpart to the spiritual weakness of monotheism. The way of Odin does not tolerate weakness of self, and racism/racialism is a form of indulgent weakness - to believe that one's mere biological makeup is a guarantee of some form of "built in" excellence is farcical. Excellence and greatness must be earned, fought for, and held at great personal cost." The above is strikingly similar to my own philosophy: "Non-racialism; we are all part of nature, NO supremist notion once again. No chauvanism, no discrimination. Illusionary racial superiority is a mentality that your superiority is given to you by birth. HA! Individual superiority is earned through WORK and ACTION, not by birth. This is meritocracy, this is our way. Chingghis Khaan himself came from the humblest of roots and spat on the old tribal systems." Out of all the people in the world sometimes I wonder why it's mainly the Americans who desire to believe some illusionary guarantee of superiority by birth. Oh wait don't answer, it's not nice Heh correct me if I'm wrong but there was no "Buddha of Money" or "Buddha of Wisdom" during Buddha's time, nor did he wished to be considered a God. It's just the branches of Buddhism that eventually made a religion out of his teachings. Similar to Christianity/Islam etc. But with all faiths there are always good and bad folks. I'm mostly concerned when one faith preaches negatively against another faith. In the case of Christianity it's much worse then Buddhism. They preach BS about our history in which they know nothing of. They preach BS about our culture in which they do not understand. They preach BS about shamans in which they consider demons Buddhism = the lesser evil definitely.
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Post by hjernespiser on Jun 15, 2010 17:34:29 GMT 3
Out of all the people in the world sometimes I wonder why it's mainly the Americans who desire to believe some illusionary guarantee of superiority by birth. Man, have you never heard of American Exceptionalism? The pundits make it some sort of political conservative vs. liberal thing over here now.
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Post by Subu'atai on Jun 18, 2010 15:32:57 GMT 3
Sorry btw, I was just thinking out loud, didn't mean to offend if I did heh. I just have certain 'opinions'. Christianity was imposed on so many Europeans at the point of a sword and now they are struggling to rid themselves of almost 2 millenia of shackles and revive what was lost but then these neo-Nazi idiots have to come in and ruin everything for Asatru followers, bleh! Oh nvm me, going off-topic. Have less of a 'hehehaha' attitude at the world when sober 24/7 nowadays it seems. I get more p-ed off and losing me sense of humor
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