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Post by Verinen Paroni on Aug 13, 2010 2:42:22 GMT 3
I only hope Mongolia to be once great again!
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Post by benjamin on Sept 16, 2010 15:28:57 GMT 3
Wow... Just wow... I love it how a humorous post about sex suddenly turned into such an in-depth discussion about religions. ;D
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Post by Tamas on Jan 4, 2011 13:28:14 GMT 3
This topic seems to be very interesting ! :DD Well, they say there was a habit sharing "wives" (or slaves?) with friends or with an esteemed guest, and in such case a (closed or open, I don't remember well) quiver was put to the end of the wagon, or next to the yurt's door. Well, such habits were of course ended with the adoption of christianity. Though I even heard the tradition survived in some parts of Mongolia well under the communist era, but not with foreigners. (This data is based on the tellings of Mr. Gyula Illyés.) However, it is clear that the 1st wife of Temüjin - due to some circumstances - wasn't that faithful so; so he "was forced" to repay the debt. But this is a venial sin I do think, becasue who does not like those beautiful inner-asian girls is probably a f*g.
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Post by Tamas on Jan 4, 2011 14:48:33 GMT 3
Muslims and Jews practice circumcision which is proved to be a very hygienic procedure. As a medical student, I can say that circumsition prevents prostate cancer to a degree. It also prevents AIDS, to a degree. It can nearly fully prevent penile cancers. Btw, it is not. It does not prevent from anything, - ESPECIALLY NOT FROM AIDS AND CANCER* - and it's no healthier than having a normal one. Only thing is if you do not circumscize, you will have to use it or wash it sometimes because it may be more sensitive to fungal deceases. Plus, the great khan in the sky (or nature itself) created man as he is complete and perfect. It's only a matter of the berbers (incl. Mohamed prophet) and the ... jews the circumscize because of the desert-climate they live in. Throughout the steppes it is completely unnecessary. Furthermore, in the U.S., male people have no real choice, since all the doctors were jewish or were students os jewish docs in their history, and they cut it down automatically. Plus, the size does not matter on this thing also.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 4, 2011 19:07:40 GMT 3
It's only a matter of the berbers (incl. Mohamed prophet) and the ... jews the circumscize because of the desert-climate they live in. Throughout the steppes it is completely unnecessary. Furthermore, in the U.S., male people have no real choice, since all the doctors were jewish or were students os jewish docs in their history, and they cut it down automatically. Actually it was an Ancient Egyptian custom later borrowed by Semitic peoples. And Muhammad was an Arab, not a Berber - Arabs and Berbers are different peoples with different languages and different geography.
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Post by Tamas on Jan 4, 2011 19:15:23 GMT 3
Greetings ! Yes. Sorry for the inaccucate statement. I'm not a scholar and I can not make a proper difference between the afroasiatic languages.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jan 4, 2011 19:31:51 GMT 3
No problem
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Post by mig007 on Jun 16, 2011 14:31:51 GMT 3
When I saw this pic it reminded me of "Chandmani"(=also Chanad-mana). (Ornament on door witch is on top of Buddist Cross) Chandmani is some kind of a magical item(=most ppl think it is a stone) like Stone of Yada(=U ppl are calling "Yada"! Mongols call "Zada"). However this thing doesn`t call rain/storm, this stone produce light -it is said that it is bright as sun. -Do U know what realy it is? There are 3 types of it : A.Ball/Egg shaped -is called Zendmene (I guess female Chandmani) it can be in group of 3 to ..... B.Drop shaped -called "Chanad-mana"="Guard well" mostly it is only in group of 3 symboliezes Water,Blood=animal,Grass something like that. -mostly Green, Blue & Red. C.Thingy shaped, -Now I want to talk about it. U can see this Thingy shaped one in Tibetian (symbol) flag. In Mongolia Buddism came from Tibet! But it doesn`t mean that this ornament came from Tibet.(-I`ll explain it) Yes it is...realy it is a BUNCH OF THINGIES!!!! thingyS!!! -Before Buddism Sex worship(=some religion) was worldwide spread -even steppe nomads were Phallus/thingy worshipers. I heard that recently Chinese arhaeologists found Uighur culture queen & beside her stone thingy/Phallus. -It was one of the most popular ornament among Halha Mongols(=Mongols of Chinggis Khaan). (U can see it in Halha wife women`s hat, -no other tribe gave such respect to these thingies!) -There is a question! WHY!? Why there so many thingys? Men mostly have one.(Ofcourse there were ppl who had 2 thingys in history!) Well..I don`t know why but I heard that some Greek God of Sex/Plesure had bunch of thingies (I think U know about it beacause U live near Greek!) -maybe it was wild imagination of those who created this religion. But even in Mongolian Buddism there are gods who do it(=sex) -they have only one thingy. (Surely it was before Buddism.) Is there any one who knows more!? Is this picture of some mongol princess of the beginning of the century?
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Post by Ardavarz on Jun 17, 2011 2:00:08 GMT 3
When I saw this pic it reminded me of "Chandmani"(=also Chanad-mana). (Ornament on door witch is on top of Buddist Cross) Chandmani is some kind of a magical item(=most ppl think it is a stone) like Stone of Yada(=U ppl are calling "Yada"! Mongols call "Zada"). However this thing doesn`t call rain/storm, this stone produce light -it is said that it is bright as sun. -Do U know what realy it is? There are 3 types of it : A.Ball/Egg shaped -is called Zendmene (I guess female Chandmani) it can be in group of 3 to ..... B.Drop shaped -called "Chanad-mana"="Guard well" mostly it is only in group of 3 symboliezes Water,Blood=animal,Grass something like that. -mostly Green, Blue & Red. C.Thingy shaped, -Now I want to talk about it. U can see this Thingy shaped one in Tibetian (symbol) flag. In Mongolia Buddism came from Tibet! But it doesn`t mean that this ornament came from Tibet.(-I`ll explain it) Yes it is...realy it is a BUNCH OF THINGIES!!!! thingyS!!! -Before Buddism Sex worship(=some religion) was worldwide spread -even steppe nomads were Phallus/thingy worshipers. I heard that recently Chinese arhaeologists found Uighur culture queen & beside her stone thingy/Phallus. -It was one of the most popular ornament among Halha Mongols(=Mongols of Chinggis Khaan). (U can see it in Halha wife women`s hat, -no other tribe gave such respect to these thingies!) -There is a question! WHY!? Why there so many thingys? Men mostly have one.(Ofcourse there were ppl who had 2 thingys in history!) Well..I don`t know why but I heard that some Greek God of Sex/Plesure had bunch of thingies (I think U know about it beacause U live near Greek!) -maybe it was wild imagination of those who created this religion. But even in Mongolian Buddism there are gods who do it(=sex) -they have only one thingy. (Surely it was before Buddism.) Is there any one who knows more!? Very interesting indeed! The phalic symbolism is very common in Tantra both Buddhist and Hindoo. Chandmani is obviously the famous magic stone Cintāmaṇi (lit. "thought-gem" in Sanskrit) yielding its possessor all desires. (cf. "philosophers' stone" of Western Alchemy which gives immortality). The Lamaism in Tibet and Mongolia has adopted many features not only from India (through Buddhism) but also from Bon which was very similar to Tengriism, Some theories suggest Iranian origin of Bon. For instance Yada here is Iranian word - from Avestan yātu (= Persian jādu) - "magic, sorcery". Thus it is very difficult to say where it has all begun...
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Post by Ardavarz on Jun 17, 2011 2:09:32 GMT 3
BTW I just remembered - In Indian mythology Cintāmaṇi is found in the head of the mythical sea-dragon Makāra I wrote about as related to the dragon of Tengri in another topic. The fearless heroes steal it from its mouth. So obviously all these symbols are related one way or another.
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Post by lamasu on Sept 16, 2011 14:21:36 GMT 3
i cant believe that a great warrior as timujin was a gay. some says that a gay can't see blood, cant kill a person. uhm... I am not gay, but I think it is important to answer to this point, which is clearly not true. Only to give you some examples: Alexander the Great was gay. He was not only gay, he had 3 wifes, but he was also in love with his best male friend, Hephaestion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestion#RelationshipsThe "sacred band", the elite force of the Greek city of Thebes, was composed by 150 couples of male lovers. The were defeated only by Philip and his son Alexander the Great. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_ThebesAmong the Spartans, even among those 300 Spartans who stopped the Persian army in the battle of Thermophylae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae) were all gays, because in the Spartan society, it was essential for a warrior to have, beside his wife, also a male lover. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece#SpartaEven japanese Samurais were used to have male lovers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan#Military_same-sex_loveAnd those are only few examples, there are many more, in many other cultures. In fact, in the past it was relatively common to have homosexual relations, especially among warriors, and that can be seen almost everywhere in the world, and almost in all periods so guys, why would you be so surprised if Temujin had had a male lover? That would not mean that he was not also good with women, and would certainly not mean that he was not a good warrior or a good leader. Maybe this is the opinion that our modern (western-influenced?) cultures have of gay people, but that does not automatically mean that it was also true for the cultures of the past, and in this case for the mongolian culture of Temujin's time. Personally, I don't know if he was gay. I don't know if there is any historical document that can give us any clue about the perception of homosexuality at the time of Gengis Khan. But I think that it is not possible to exclude "a priori" that Gengis Khan had a male lover, only because with our modern culture and mentality we don't like the idea. Especially if there is a document that tell us that he did slip with a man. Of course, if we want to speak of Gengis Khan of our dreams we can imagine him how we like, but if we want to speak about the true, historical gengis khan, and the true, historical mongolian culture and mentality of his time, we should try to analyse the sources with an objective eye, leaving aside our modern bias and preconceptions which are often really far from the reality of past societies. So.. if he was also gay.. well, he was also gay. That does not change the history, that does not change what he did, that only add a little detail in our knowledge and understanding of his time and his culture. Where would be the problem?
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Post by ALTAR on Sept 16, 2011 22:01:03 GMT 3
Veronika Vysokikh, Beautiful Yakut(Saha) model Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Post by Modu Tanhu on Sept 16, 2011 23:03:53 GMT 3
Maasallah shes beautiful, where do you find such pics? xD U must be good investigator hahah.
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Post by Temüjin on Sept 18, 2011 14:42:49 GMT 3
lamasu: the examples you brought up are particular to those cultures, in this case the Greek and Japanese (Chinese also had that). it's wrong to conclude that any culture had that.
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Post by lamasu on Sept 24, 2011 18:49:27 GMT 3
lamasu: the examples you brought up are particular to those cultures, in this case the Greek and Japanese (Chinese also had that). it's wrong to conclude that any culture had that. I totally agree with you, but then that should be also true for the "modern mongolian culture" which is inevitably different from "gingis khan's time mongolian culture" as much as is different the japanese or the greek culture (maybe even more different). Therefore it is also wrong to conclude that it is impossible that he had a male lover only because it sounds strange and incredible to our modern idea and our modern perception of homosexuality and of gengis khan himself. The only correct approach is to observe other cultures, to understand that a warrior having a male lover is not so strange and unusual as it could appear to us, and then to approach the original sources of his time (the sources about him in particular, and about the culture of his time in general) with a mind open to both the possibilities.
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