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Post by Atabeg on Aug 17, 2006 16:56:35 GMT 3
what about root kok how was that pronounced
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Post by tengrikut on Aug 17, 2006 20:28:00 GMT 3
i dont know, but i think the same
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 18, 2006 10:33:57 GMT 3
Kök had two meanings in Old Turkic: Blue and Root. In Modern Anatolian Turkish, Kök meaning "Blue" has become Gök while it's meaning is now "Sky".
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 18, 2006 17:35:24 GMT 3
so my theory of teh ancient turks considereed the sky as there roots is right?
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 18, 2006 19:49:59 GMT 3
I heard no such thing
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 18, 2006 22:09:54 GMT 3
but kok means root in modern turkish so the qagan is the son of the sky so his root is the sky or does this don't make sence no it is not the same kök. kök become gök in times. I jus said it a few post ago
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Aug 18, 2006 22:25:12 GMT 3
Your theory is wrong as the Old Turkic equivalent of "Sky" was Teñri, not Kök. It was centuries after when the useage of Kök/Gök (originially meaning "Blue" and "Root") changed to the meaning of "Sky".
It was in the 9th-10th centuries when the Turks started calling their chief god Kök Teñri. Before that, Kök Teñri only meant Blue Sky and the equivalent of Sky/God was just Teñri. Kök had only the color meaning before the 9th-10th centuries.
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Post by Atabeg on Aug 19, 2006 8:27:59 GMT 3
hmmm okay thnks
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Post by nisse on May 4, 2007 2:12:46 GMT 3
where can you find more info about the gök turks , which books and authors have written about them
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jun 11, 2007 23:02:44 GMT 3
The list is updated.
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Post by mongol194 on Sept 30, 2008 13:19:40 GMT 3
In northern pakistan my grandparents called me "tuhayul" it sounded rather guttural and ancient to me. My real name is Saleem Khan well Mohammed Saleem Hussain Khan actually but anyway, what does Tuhayul mean i was told it meant brave one in turkic. I never saw my father till i was eight but my mother used to call me shirku? i know that means mountain lion right? Oh and is Sabir or Sibr/Sibir also an ancient turkic name? i know i have some form of mongoliod ancestry becuase my ancestors invaded india back in the 9th century but before that we were supposedly conquered by turks/arabs when we were roaming tribal bands in modern day afghanistan or iran. But it wouldn't suprise me if i was a mixed blood of many steppe peoples becuase i have retained that wild warlike spirit ;D
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Post by Azadan Januspar on Sept 30, 2008 13:58:49 GMT 3
Right but Shīrkuh means the mountain of the lion. An onomastic formation very similar to the era of the Sassanian, but its use furthered mostly by post-conquest local rulers.
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Post by ALTAR on Sept 30, 2008 16:27:23 GMT 3
Oh and is Sabir or Sibr/Sibir also an ancient turkic name? i know i have some form of mongoliod ancestry becuase my ancestors invaded india back in the 9th century but before that we were supposedly conquered by turks/arabs when we were roaming tribal bands in modern day afghanistan or iran. But it wouldn't suprise me if i was a mixed blood of many steppe peoples becuase i have retained that wild warlike spirit ;D Sabirs are Turkic Nomads who fought with Byzantine Empire in the 6th century. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SabirsSibir is the Turkic version of Siberia. It is possibly coming from Sabirs There was a city(current name is Qashlig) and a khanate in the name of Sibir fifteenth century, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qashliq en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanate_of_Sibir
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Sept 30, 2008 20:26:58 GMT 3
In northern pakistan my grandparents called me "tuhayul" it sounded rather guttural and ancient to me. My real name is Saleem Khan well Mohammed Saleem Hussain Khan actually but anyway, what does Tuhayul mean i was told it meant brave one in turkic. I have not come across any word like that in Turkic In the Turkic dialects/languages, "Brave" is "Alp" or "Alıp/Alyp/Alïp". "Yigit" and "Baġatur" also have the same meaning. I never saw my father till i was eight but my mother used to call me shirku? i know that means mountain lion right? As Azadan pointed out, that is Persian. Oh and is Sabir or Sibr/Sibir also an ancient turkic name? Yes, its original form is probably *Sapar which means "who changes his path while going (somewhere)".
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Post by mongol194 on Oct 2, 2008 18:02:48 GMT 3
Ah that explains a lot. My maternal side of the family have always apeared to have been more influenced by Arab/Persian cultures. My mother comes from a family of very tall people 6 foot+, who have long faces and aquiline noses. That is totally different to my paternall side, my granfather was only 5.7feet tall but he was a very skilled rider ;D. He was also the bravest man in norhtern Pakistans patowar area, he killed 26 japanese soldiers and captured 100 others in close combat almost single handedly in the battle of kohima in India. His name was Alpdeen Sabir Hussain. He did not survive the war, his brother was handed a potumous george cross. Jimir Feroz khan was my great uncle who looked after my father and arranged him to be sent to england.
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