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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 17, 2004 20:15:44 GMT 3
(Originially posted by me at September 20, 2004) ----
Members can post descriptions of battles under this thread. Here's mine:
BATTLE OF PELEKANON (ESKÝHÝSAR) – June 1-2, 1329:
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Roman Empire (Byzantines): A small army of 2,000 Imperial troops and some local auxiliaries commanded by Emperor Andronikos III Beghlik of Osmanlu (Ottomans): A small force composed of light riders under the command of Orkhan Begh
Positions: The Ottomans controlled the strategic hills while the Byzantines were located at the plains. Orkhan Begh also positioned some of his troops for an ambush at the valley.
The Battle: At June 1, Orkhan Begh sent 300 riders to force the Byzantines to attack the hills on which he had more advantages. The Ottoman riders rained arrows on the Byzantines and started to withdraw (a classical Steppe tactic) but the Byzantines didn’t fall into the trap and didn’t abandone their position.
On the next day, the Ottoman forces repeated the same assault; this time, the Byzantines counter-attacked and Orkhan Begh sent a relief force under the command of his brother Pazarlu Begh. During the battle, the Byzantine emperor was wounded by an arrow and upon this, the Byzantine troops panicked. Even though the wounded emperor tried to keep his army intact, the troops routed and the Ottoman riders overran fleeing Byzantine troops who were trying to take reach the Byzantine forts in the vicinity, while the remaining Byzantine troops boarded on the ships waiting near modern Yalova and escaped to Constantinople.
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(Originially posted by Lannes at September 21, 2004) ----
The Battle of Magnesia[/u]- This is my description of the Battle of Magnesia. It may contain errors, despite my best efforts in compiling my information, and is surely not any sort of published work, but it should give a good picture of this famous ancient battle. ---
Background- We are in the year of 190 BC. Rome is at war with the Hellenistic World. The battle will take place between the Seleucids under Antiochus the Great and the Romans under Scipio Africanus.
Drawing Up the Formations- The Romans used their manipular legion, against a Hellenistic formation focused on the phalanx. Unlike the earlier versions of the phalanx which used heavily armored hoplites, the the warriors(called phalangites) in the newer phalanx were lightly armored(many not armored at all) pikemen, that used the sarissa, which was a massive pike, at some times, measuring up to 6.4metres(or 21 feet). Alexander the Great had used his phalanx as something to pin down an enemy, letting his cavalry deliver the decisive charge, but due to a shortage of cavalry in Hellenistic Armies of the Second Century BC, they had come to rely on the phalanx to win battles.
--> Roman Troops and Line Up- To the far left of the Roman infantry formation, we have three rows of the Latin ala, going to the left of the ala, we have two Roman legions(of course drawn into three rows), continuing to the right, we have another three-rowed Latin ala unit. To the right of the last mentioned Latin ala, we have 3, 000 peltasts. The cavalry is positioned on the wings of the Roman infantry: the Turmae Cavalry being on the left wing, and around 3, 000 standard cavalry on the right wing.
--> Seleucid Troops and Line Up- (Since the Seleucids didn't line up in an easy to describe 'infantry in the middle, and cavalry on the wings' formation, I will simply desribe the line up from the Seleucid Right down to their Left.) Starting on the Seleucid right wing, we have 1, 200 Dahae Cavalry, next there are 10, 000 Argyraspides Infantry, following them we have 3, 000 Agema Cavalry, to their left is 3, 000 Cataphracts Cavalry, next in line are 1, 500 Galatians, next are 16, 000 phalangites(forming the main phalanx), to the left of the phalanx are another set of 1, 500 Galatians, following to the left are 4, 700 light infantrymen, then there are more of the Cataphracts Cavalry(numbering at 3, 000 on this side as well), next is 1, 000 of the Regia ala Cavalry, followed by 2, 500 Galatian Cavalry, and to the far left are 500 Tarentines Cavalry. We also have some additional units placed to the front of the Seleucid formation: There are a row of Seleucid Chariots in front of the Cataphracts, Galatian, and Tarentines Cavalries(to the left of the phalanx). In front of the phalanx, we have 54 elephants.
Brief Stage of Events in Battle- Antiochus attacks and breaks through the Roman Legion with his attacks with agema and catacphracts. He orders these cavalries to go to attack the Roman camp, but they are checked by the Roman guards left behind. Lepidus(a commanding tribune of the broken legions), gathers his broken legion together to drive the cavalry and Antiochus back. The Seleucid Chariots attack, but are driven back by missile fire, and in their retreat, they cause much confusion in their own forces. Next, the Roman cavalry moves forward, and drives the opposing cavalries to the rear. The Roman infantry advances on the phalanx, defeating the surrounding skirmishers, but the phalanx itself stands firm for the time. Some of the phalanx support elephants panic upon seeing the Roman cavalry coming from their flank, and run back into the phalanx, causing mass confusion within the phalanx, eventually Seleucid the center dissolves, and the battle is won for the Romans who are free to march to the Seleucid camp.
If errors are found, please bring them to my attention. If you are confused, and/or have questions, I will most certainly attempt to clear them up for you.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 17, 2004 20:22:27 GMT 3
(Originially posted by Gallipoli at September 30, 2004)---- Ihsan, can you tell us about the battle of Mohacs please? ---------------- (Originially posted by me at September 30, 2004)---- BATTLE OF MOHAÇ (MOHÁCS) - August 29, 1526:Sides:--> Osmanlý Sultânate (Ottoman Empire): The Imperial Army of 100,000 troops under the command of Sultân Süleymân. I've estimated that 30-35,000 of them were the Kapýkulu Guards (including 12,000 janissaries), 30,000 Azab infantry, ~34-40,000 of them were the Topraklý provincial cavalry (Týmarlý Sipâhis and Cebelüs) while the rest were auxiliaries; though I couldn't find exact numbers except 30,000 Azabs and 12,000 Yeniçeris. The army also had 300 large bronze cannons. --> Kingdom of Hungary: The Royal Army of 25-30,000 men including 3,000 royal guards, some troops of Bathory Endrosh, Tomori Pali's 2,000 cavalries and infantries, Sopolayi Körek's 300 riders and 1,200 infantries, 1,300 infantries from the fortress of Papa, 4,000 Papal infantries, 1,500 Polish infantries, troops of the constables of Eger and Varat, 200 infantries and 100 cannons from Budin (Buda), 3,000 Croats, Ize Ordus' 700 riders, Csil Ishtovan's 300 riders, garrison troops from Esztergom, archers from Pecs, "Sýrcý" Yanosh's 2,000 infantries; all commanded by King Laiosh (Louis). Array of the Ottoman Army: The center was composed of lines of Azabs, armored janissaries, cannons+musketeer janissaries and the sultan surrendered by his Kapýkulu cavalry, the wings were entirely Topraklýs (Týmarlý Sipâhi were fief-holding heavy cavalry and Cebelü were their light cavalry retainers). The Battle: Hungarian knights launch a mounted charge, the Azabs withdraw to the flanks, armored janissaries resist and withdraw to the flanks too, the knights face cannons and musketeers. Ottoman firearm units open fire, cause great damage and create havoc among Hungarian ranks. The withdrawn infantry charge to the knights from two sides and annihiliate them, followed by the charge of Ottoman cavalry on Hungarian infantry which result with the final destruction of thu Hungarian army. King Laiosh and the remaining troops drown in a swamp close to the battlefield. Aftermath: After the battle, the Ottomans capture Budin and Pesht (two cities that are now Budapest). The Kingdom of Hungary is divided between Ottoman Hungarian Kingdom (vassal of the Ottomans, later totally subjugated and divided into many Beðlerbeðliks), Erdel (Transylvania, an Ottoman vassal) and Austrian Hungary (vassal of Austrian Habsburgs). ---------------- (Originially posted by Gallipoli at September 30, 2004)---- Thanx Ihsan, I will write about Salamis, Marathon and Gallipoli soon. ---------------- (Originially posted by me at September 30, 2004)---- Ok, we shall be waiting them About Gallipoli: which battles will you describe? You know, Gallipoli was a campaign ---------------- (Originially posted by Gallipoli at September 30, 2004)---- 1st and 2nd Zigindere, 1st Anafartalar 2nd Anafartalar ---------------- (Originially posted by Gallipoli at October 2, 2004)---- 19 May 1915 Gallipoli/Ariburnu Front Turkish 12nd Division Launches the "Bloody Horn Offensive" against the heavily fortified ANZAC lines. Around 18.000 educated intellectual students from Istanbul die in this battle leaving Turkey none to work with during the foundation of the new Republic few years later in terms of intellectual capacity. Here is how it happened; During the April landings, the primary strategy of the Turkish central command was to pull enemy forces inland and crush them completely with a major retaliatory offensive afterwards. This was also dramatisized by the classical Turkish idea of driving the enemy to the sea and pushing off them into water. However the Turkish forces were positioned in the peninsula in such a way that any offensive of this kind was merely impossible. Liman Von Sanders (German general who was the head of the Turco-German army reconsiliation program before) thought that the enemy would land on Saros bay, the thinnest part of the Gallipoli Peninsula. So he scattared all divisions into different and absurt places, making an immediate counter-offensive impossible. This strategy resulted in an ironic way; some Turkish coastal observation squads had to fight forces 100 times larger themselves. One particular story is that of the story of Yahya Sergeant who ended up fighting with 2 comrades against 11.786 British troops at Seddulbahir where he ended up dying after hours of overhuman endurance and heroism. His legend lives in a poem which has been immortalised by his trench and a statue; "With three,Sergeant Yahya fought the foes Finally they became martyrs for the will of god Before evening met night they met what they wanted to meet,the almighty god" After the bloody battles in Seddulbahir and Ariburun, the Turks decided to make a decisive offensive in Ariburnu in order to drive the ANZACS to the sea line. The ANZACS were fighting desperately, clinging to a dense and small bridgehead of no more than 2 km wide and 10 km long. So they managed to build every single defensive entaglement they could to stop the Turks. PART 2 COMING
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Dec 17, 2004 20:30:45 GMT 3
ANZAC COVE (This is background) . . The Anzac's main target was to land at the beach located between Kabatepe (Z Beach) and Ariburnu. Their initial subject was Conkbayiri-Kocacimentepe line and then Maltepe to cut the Turks' connection from north to south. In the morning of 25 April, instead of landing at Z Beach, the first troops had been deposited father north, at Ariburnu itself. The boats had been swept more than a mile north by an unexpected current. Although they could sweep the expected landing beaches, the area in which the Anzacs had actually Anzac Cove landed was defended very weakly, and thus isolated parties were able to progress a little further. In Bigali, there was manoeuvring 19th Division commanded by Mustafa Kemal. By the daylight, Mustafa Kemal heard the gunfire and he understood that the landings had begun. He immediately had informed the Army Commander but did not receive any further assignment. As soon as he was informed about the casualties of the 27th Brigade defending the shores, he comprehended the arduousness of the situation. Without an authority given by the commander, Mustafa Kemal took all the enterprise's responsibility and ordered the 57th Brigade to move to Kocacimentepe. He had gone to Conkbayiri to observe the counter-attack. There he saw some soldiers withdrawing. He himself told that moment to Rusen Esref Unaydin as below: "In that very moment, I saw the platoon responsible to observe and protect the Battleship Hill, running away. I had stopped them and asked: - Why are you running away? - Sir, the enemy! they said". - Where? I asked. - Here! they said by pointing the Battleship Hill It was true; the enemy's skirmishers were walking through the Battleship Hill. Imagine that, I have given the forces ten minutes break and the enemy has reached the hill. It means that the enemy was closer to me then my own army. In that moment, now I do not know consciously or by premonition I said: - Never run away from the enemy. - We do not have sufficient ammunitions, said they. - If you do not have ammunitions, you have your bayonets. I said. By yelling, I have had fixed them the bayonets. I have had lied them on the floor. Meanwhile, I have sent my adjutant back, to take infantry. In the moment, my soldiers fixed their bayonets and lied down and the enemy did the same. We won the war in that moment." That was true, when the Turks had stabilised their positions, the Anzacs stopped and did the same. Thus, Mustafa Kemal won the time to stabilise the 57th Brigade in Conkbayiri and enabled the Turks to prevent the capture of Saribayir. This success was most probably decided the Results. The creator of this success was no doubt Mustafa Kemal. Both Turkish and foreign experts always point and emphasise this reality. Same day, Mustafa Kemal turned to corps head quarters and by permission of Esad Pasha he took remains of the 27th Brigade under his command for a counter-attack. For this attack, his historical order to 57th Brigade was as follows: "I am not ordering you to attack, I am ordering you to die. Until we die, we could win the time for the arrival of new troops and commanders". On 25 April 1915, mid-afternoon, the initial landing was completed. Nevertheless, with Turkish counter-attacks and bayonet assaults, the Anzacs had lost many soldiers and they retreated to the shores. Despite these bitter and confused struggles, by the evening, a division of the Anzac corps could have managed to station on the cliffs of Ariburnu. From this day until August 1915, these bloody and bitter fights had continued. Both sides had attacked usually at nights and the soldiers fought man to man. With the August, the war had completely turned out to be a trench war. As in Helles, the Anzacs could not have reached the main subject and until the evacuation, they were blocked in a small land without any further progress. ---------------- (Originially posted by me at October 3, 2004)---- Ok, thanks Gallipoli I read somewhere that at late March 18th; near the sunset, the ammo of Turkish land batteries was exhausted yet the Allied Armada didn't know this and retreat following the loss of many ships. Is it true? ---------------- (Originially posted by Gallipoli at October 5, 2004)---- Yep there are such instances. The allied armada always fired without necessary recon. There are reports that they accidentally annihilated one French company at Kumkale, on April 26. That battel was really bloody. It was a semi-WW2 street fight where you couldnt make the difference between friend and foe.
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Post by Lannes on Jun 25, 2005 0:23:18 GMT 3
I posted this over on AE a few days ago. Might as well post it here. Feel free to ask questions or correct me!
I might type something up for Gabiene and Gaza later. ---
Battle of Paraitacene
Background: 317 BC. Antigonus has begun his expansion. Moves towards Persia to confront Eumenes.
Antigonus's Army: 28, 000 heavy infantry; 10, 600 cavalry (3, 700 heavy); 65 elephants; and an unspecified number of light infantry. His lineup: The left wing comprises of nearly 7, 000 light cavalry and some supporting light infantry (specifically, from farthest left heading right: Median/Parthian mounted lancers and archers, Tarentine cavalry, a Phrygian and Lydian cavalry force, another force of Median cavalry, the Lysanias, and the Asthippoi); the center consists of the 28, 000 heavy infantry with 35 elephants and some light infantry in front (the heavy infantry going from left to right: Mercenaries farthest left, small force of Lycians and Pamphylians, a large unit of mixed race, and the Makedonian infantry to the far right); the right wing consists of the 3, 700 heavy cavalry, the remaining 30 elephants, and a force of light infantry (from left to the right end of the battle line: force of mercenary cavalrymen, larger force of Thracian cavalry, Greek cavalry, and the Companions under Antigonus's son, Demetrios. To the right of the Companions, there is an interesting setup of light infantry and cavalry which is flanked on the right by an oblique line of elephants. I'll describe the aforementioned light infantry/heavy cavalry setup from front to back: three ilai [150] of slave cavalry, 300-strong cavalry force led by Antigonus himself, another three ilai of slave cavalry, and a force of 100 Tarentine cavalry to the rear).
Eumenes's Army: 6, 000 cavalry; 85+ elephants; 17, 000 heavy infantry; and in excess of 10, 000 light infantry. His lineup: He has 3, 000 heavy cavalry with 6, 000 light infantry and 45 elephants on his left wing (from farthest left heading right towards the center: Elephants and light infantry support the flank, to their right are two ilai[100] of lancers with Eudamus's Agema behind it, heading right is a force of Areian and Drangianan cavalry, next is the Mesopotamian and Arbelitian cavalry, then Arachosian cavalry, then the Paropanisadian cavalry force, and to the farthest right is a force of Thracian cavalry); his ceneter has the 17, 000 heavy infantry with 40 elephants and another large force of light infantry in front (the heavy infantry from left to right: Mercenaries on far right, unit of mixed race, Argyraspid infantry force is next, and farthest right are the Hypaspists); the right wing has around 3, 000 cavalry with part of the elephant force (extending from the center) and a large force of light infantry in front (the cavalry from left to right: Carmanian cavalry, to its right are the Companions, continuing right is an agema of cavalry [300], to its right is an agema led by Eumenes with a 300-strong force of specially selected cavalry behind it and a force of slave cavalry in front of it, and farthest right is another small force of picked cavalry).
The Battle: Antigonus intends to advance in an oblique line(refusing the left) so that his force of 3, 700 heavy cavalry on thr right can use their numerical advantage over Eumenes's left. However, the commander of Antigonus's large light cavalry force on the left, Pithon, decides to engage anyway. Eumenes decides to bring some cavalry from his left over to his right to launch a counterattack on Pithon, and, after some initial success, Pithon is routed. When the two center forces of heavy infantry met, Eumenes's force routed the Antigonid infantry. Meanwhile, on the Antigonid right, Antigonus takes advanatge of the gap created by the advance of Eumenes's center, and attacks Eumenes's isolated left. Antigonus routes the isolated force. Thus, Eumenes has to regather his pursuing center and right to regroup. Likewise, Antigonus regathers his fleeing army. However, Eumenes's army refused to restart the battle and march back to camp. So, Antigonus marches back onto the empty battlefield and claims victory.
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Post by Jagatai Khan on Jun 30, 2005 10:28:36 GMT 3
ihsan; As I know,in Mohacz,Hungarian Knights made an unnecessary and undiscplined assault,but they had beaten by Ottoman cannons on the swamp in the middle of the battlefield.This was the greatest point that affected the battle.(These were written by you too) But in AE,one of Hungarian forummers said that the cannon fire was ineffective,Ottomans won the battle because of the Hungarian battle plan failed.He confused us. the link of thread: www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2537&PN=1I will be glad if you can give an explanation about this.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 1, 2005 23:43:22 GMT 3
Hmm I'll re-describe the battle according to the early-17th century Ottoman historian Peçevî Ýbrâhîm's book Târîh-i Peçevî (the same source where I took the numbers of the Hungarian army):
After the moral-rising speechs and the prayers were done, Rumeli Beðlerbeði Ýbrâhîm Paþa sent his forces forward and the Ottoman army charged with the order of the Sultân. While the Ottoman troops came closer and closer to the Hungarian army, a famous soldier/priest named Tomru Bal (probably Tomory Pál; titled Pashpuk) and his mounted troops named Brat launched a counter-attack.
These die-hearts charged directly to the Ottoman center where the Sultân was positioned. They suffered many casualties from the Ottoman cannon-musket fire but they continued to advance, passing the lines of cannons and finding a small opening among the Ottoman infantry ranks. However, the Sultân's own units were too powerful for them and soon, the troops of Bâli Beð and Husrev Beð (Beð of Bosna) encircled them from their behind. These die-hearts tried to fight their way back but soon the entire unit of Brats were destroyed completely, while Tomru Bal was beheaded, his head being placed on a spearpoint (the Ottomans claimed this to be the King's head but the King was still alive at that moment).
The Hungarian King attacked the Anatolian troops where the janissaries were located, but the janissaries dispersed this attack with volleys of musket fire. The elite troops of the Hungarian army and the Hungarian officers were all and suddenly killed. The rest of the Hungarians panicked and ran away, including the King himself. However, by sunset, the marshes near the battlefield were filled with fleeing Hungarian soldiers so most of the Hungarians, again including their King, were all drowned.
Using a Hungarian source, Peçevî Ýbrâhîm gives the number of the surviving Hungarian troops as 500 cavalry and 3,500 infantry (4,000 in total).
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Post by aca on Nov 24, 2006 15:00:05 GMT 3
Battle of KosovoFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Battle of Kosovo (Serbian Cyrillic: Косовски бој or Бој на Косову, see also names in other languages) was fought on St Vitus' Day (June 15, now celebrated on 28) 1389 between Serbia and the Ottoman Empire. Reliable historical accounts of this battle are scarce, however a critical examination of them and comparison with similar contemporary battles (such as the Battle of Angora or Nikopolis) enables for a reliable reconstruction. PreparationsArmy movementMurad gathered his troops in Philippoupolis (Plovdiv) in the spring of 1389, and arrived in Ihtiman after a three-day long march. From there, he chose the route across Velbužd (Kyustendil) and Kratovo. Though longer than the alternative route across Sofia and Nišava valley which would give him direct acces to Lazar's lands, it led him to Kosovo, which was strategically important as one of the most importand trade crossroads on the Balkans: from Kosovo Murad could attack either Lazar's or Vuk's lands. After staying in Kratovo for a while Murad passed across Kumanovo, Preševo and Gnjilane to Priština, where he arrived on June 14. There are less data about Lazar's preparations, but it could be assumed that he gathered his troops near Niš, possibly on the right bank of the Južna Morava. He likely stayed there until he learned that Murad moved to Velbužd, when he too moved, probably across Prokuplje, to Kosovo. Lazar arrived to the Kosovo Field right after Murad's arrival to Priština. This was the optimal choice for the battlefield as it controlled all possible direction Murad could take. Army sizeIt is not certain how large the armies were, especially as later sources tend to exagerrate on their size, launching it into hundreds of thousands. Murad's army might have numbered 27-40,000. Taking the 40,000 estimate, it probably included some 5,000 Janissaries, 2,500 of Murad's cavalry guard, 6,000 spahis, 20,000 azaps and akincis and 8,000 of his vassals. Lazar's might have 12-30,000. Taking the estimate of 25,000, some 15,000 were under Lazar's command, 5,000 Vuk's, and as much of Vlatko's. Of those, several thousands were cavalry, but perhaps only a few hundreds were clad in full plate armour[6]. The BattleChristian attack The armies met at Kosovo Field. The battle started with Serbian noblemen and Lazar's son-in-law, noble Vuk Branković, on one wing, Lazar with heavy armor knight cavalary in the centre including German mercenaries, and Bosnian Duke Vlatko Vuković commanding the third wing of the Bosnian Serb army including Albanian (Theodor II Muzaka), Hungarian, Polish knights and Knights Hospitallers. Murad's deathMurad's death is disputed to this day, with one account being he was assassinated by Milos Obilic, who made his way into the Turkish camp on the pretext of being a deserter and forced his way into the Sultan's tent and stabbed him with a poisoned dagger. Regardless of how Murad died, the confusion that followed was eventually quelled by Bayezid, the Sultan's son. For the death of the Sultan, the Ottomans killed many of their prisoners. Turkish counterattackThe Balkans coalition initially gained advantage after their first charge, which heavily damaged the Turkish wing commanded by Jakub Celebi. In the center, the Christian fighters managed to push Ottoman forces back with only Bayezid's wing holding off the forces commanded by Vlatko Vuković. The Ottomans in a counter attack pushed Balkans forces back and prevailed later in the day. The OutcomeDue to inadequate reliable historical sources, the result of the battle is not clear. Though the Ottomans managed to push the Serbian forces back, they didn't move further to conquer Kosovo right after the battle. Instead, they retreated. This was due to the death of Sultan Murad; the new sultan Bayezid had to go to the capital to be crowned. On the other hand, some Serbian nobles started paying tribute and supplying soldier to the Ottomans after the battle, while some didn't. Therefore it is not a clear victory or defeat. However, Ottomans had the initiative now since the toll on the Serbian side was heavy. AftermathBoth armies sustained heavy casualties and both armies withdrew from the battlefield, but the toll on the Christians, especially on Serbia, was catastrophic as much of their political elite was wiped out. Prince Lazar Hrebeljanović was taken prisoner and executed. It is said that before the Battle Milos Obilic told to Lazar: "For thy goblet I thank you. For thy speech, Tsar Lazar, I thank you not... Tomorrow, in the battle of Kosovo, I will perish fighting for the Christian faith." He is now held as an epic legend by many Balkans people, while his origin or existence has not been verified yet. He is often regarded as a Serb.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 24, 2006 20:09:46 GMT 3
Thank you my dear Aca Shad I am planning of writing some interesting battle descriptions but I currently don't have enough time
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Post by Verinen Paroni on Nov 24, 2006 20:21:09 GMT 3
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Post by Jagatai Khan on Nov 25, 2006 1:12:48 GMT 3
I am a newbie user in Turkish and English wikipedias; i mostly do small edits and some corrections. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JagataiA small battle describe by me: Battle of Dandanaqan.This was written with mostly Tigin's help in TTF. If you have some time, i recommend you to appreciate, especially Turkish wikipedia is really insufficient.There are better articles about our history in English wikipedia than Turkish wikipedia.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 25, 2006 1:15:57 GMT 3
Nice description of Dandanaqan
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Post by Jagatai Khan on Nov 25, 2006 1:23:32 GMT 3
Thanks And don't forget the information there mostly belongs to you.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 25, 2006 1:25:22 GMT 3
Thank you
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Post by Temüjin on Nov 26, 2006 0:05:29 GMT 3
I am a newbie user in Turkish and English wikipedias; i mostly do small edits and some corrections. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JagataiA small battle describe by me: Battle of Dandanaqan.This was written with mostly Tigin's help in TTF. If you have some time, i recommend you to appreciate, especially Turkish wikipedia is really insufficient.There are better articles about our history in English wikipedia than Turkish wikipedia. very nice Jagatai & Tigin!
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Nov 26, 2006 0:16:40 GMT 3
Thank you my dear Shad
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