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Post by Temüjin on Jun 10, 2017 14:57:31 GMT 3
according to Kim Hodong's article "Qubilai's Commanders (Amirs): a Mongol Perspective" (link below) he was the most eminent commander of Qubilai Qa'an, even before Bayan. however other than the brief outline he gives of him, i was unable to find any mention at all of him in other sources (Rossabi: "Khubilai Khan his life and times", Biran: "Qaidu and the rise of the Mongol state in Central Asia", Encylopaedia of Mongolia and the Mongol Empire). Kim explains this in his article due to Turtaqa, like other important commanders and officials on Rashid ad-Din's list of eminent commanders in Qubilai's service, being stationed on the Mongol frontier far from the court and away from Chinese writers who would record the official histories. furthermore, Turtaqa Noyan defected to Qaidu after a defeat and this is why his role was intentionally downplayed by the Yuan writers. here's the article: www.academia.edu/28676869/Qubilai_s_Commanders_Am%C4%ABrs_A_Mongol_Perspective |
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Post by boleslawi on Mar 31, 2020 12:50:57 GMT 3
according to Kim Hodong's article "Qubilai's Commanders (Amirs): a Mongol Perspective" (link below) he was the most eminent commander of Qubilai Qa'an, even before Bayan. however other than the brief outline he gives of him, i was unable to find any mention at all of him in other sources (Rossabi: "Khubilai Khan his life and times", Biran: "Qaidu and the rise of the Mongol state in Central Asia", Encylopaedia of Mongolia and the Mongol Empire). Kim explains this in his article due to Turtaqa, like other important commanders and officials on Rashid ad-Din's list of eminent commanders in Qubilai's service, being stationed on the Mongol frontier far from the court and away from Chinese writers who would record the official histories. furthermore, Turtaqa Noyan defected to Qaidu after a defeat and this is why his role was intentionally downplayed by the Yuan writers. here's the article: www.academia.edu/28676869/Qubilai_s_Commanders_Am%C4%ABrs_A_Mongol_PerspectiveDo you know his Chinese names (may have various versions). I may help you to look at the Yuanshi and Xin Yuanshi (written in the early 1920s) to see if there is a biography of him. There is also a book called In the Service of the Khan: Eminent Personalities of the Early Mongol-Yüan Period (1200-1300). It is a very comprehensive book that introduces many famous peoples who serve the early Mongol Khans. I intend to buy a copy even though it is over 100 USD. I am also interested in learning more about the lives and fates of Mongol commanders under the Ilkhans, the Yuan, the Ulus of Jochi (Golden Horde). |
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Post by Temüjin on Mar 31, 2020 19:26:45 GMT 3
not sure his Chinese name is stated in the article i linked. it mentiones however mentions that Turtaqa was largely omitted from Chinese sources, incl the Yuanshi. i also own the first volume of "In the Service of the Khan", which is much cheaper than volume two, but only deals with persoanlities in the early Mongol reign. AFAIK, he's not in volume two either however.
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Post by boleslawi on Apr 1, 2020 3:00:31 GMT 3
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Post by boleslawi on Apr 1, 2020 7:06:39 GMT 3
not sure his Chinese name is stated in the article i linked. it mentiones however mentions that Turtaqa was largely omitted from Chinese sources, incl the Yuanshi. i also own the first volume of "In the Service of the Khan", which is much cheaper than volume two, but only deals with persoanlities in the early Mongol reign. AFAIK, he's not in volume two either however. Wait, there are 2 volumes of that book? I thought there is only one! Could take the photo of both volumes and post it up here? |
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Post by Temüjin on Apr 1, 2020 18:09:31 GMT 3
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Apr 2, 2020 3:06:03 GMT 3
I have found a poorly scanned and not so easy to use copy of that book but it's still better than nothing, so feel free to contact me if you want a copy of it  |
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