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Post by meiji on Jul 9, 2013 19:51:03 GMT 3
Greetings, I was in my hometown, Kırşehir last night. Grandpa was the guy responsible for city's culture (as we call in Turkish, Kültür Müdürü) and he has some sort of collection there. One of his pieces took my attention. There is a cross and a portrait of Christ (or a saint, I don't know) I assume that the guy who owned that thing was a Christian. Also the alphabet look familiar to the Old Turkic tamgas, but they're not matching. I checked Old Hungarian Script, still no match. I think it could belong to Bulgars or Gagauz. Or it could be fake. I'm not a pro on this, but it looks pretty real to me. Will be waiting for your answers. Thanks in advance.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 10, 2013 12:09:44 GMT 3
Hi meiji, welcome aboard. Some of the letters are identical both to Turkic and Germanic Runic.
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Post by meiji on Jul 10, 2013 13:52:51 GMT 3
Hi meiji, welcome aboard. Some of the letters are identical both to Turkic and Germanic Runic. Yeah, I'm aware of that. AFAIK after the acceptance of Christianity by Germanic people, they stopped using Runics. (could be wrong though) After seeing the cross, I thought that the minter of this coin could be Hungarians. Then I checked Old Hungarian Script, but the second line does not match. Do you know any Turkish numismatist I can contact with? It really confuses me, it is too big to be a coin, it is written with runiforms and has a Christ portrait. I wonder how did it come to the Central Anatolia.
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Post by qaghan on Jul 11, 2013 0:41:41 GMT 3
Galatians
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Post by meiji on Jul 11, 2013 1:29:42 GMT 3
Which Galatians are you referring to? If you are talking about these guys can you please tell me which alphabet did they use? It makes sense btw. I mean, they lived in Asia Minor for a while. They were Christian (I assume). Wiki says only 120 words remained from that language, so I think it would be hard to find what's written on it.
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Post by H. İhsan Erkoç on Jul 11, 2013 13:08:41 GMT 3
The letters are definitely not Hungarian/Szekely Runic. The Galatians and other Celts also did not use any runic alphabet as far as I know. Germanic runic was, as meiji said, mostly abandoned after the conversion to Christianity, just like how the usage of Turkic Runic and Uyghur alphabets declined after the Turks started becoming Muslim (though their usage continued for a while - it was not immediately abandoned upon conversion).
One other option that comes to my mind is that that piece could be fake.
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Post by qaghan on Jul 12, 2013 13:14:43 GMT 3
Maybe that coin didnt produce in Anatolia and came from far lands with trade. Too much gaps in history to guess.
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Post by qaghan on Jul 12, 2013 13:16:44 GMT 3
Which Galatians are you referring to? If you are talking about these guys can you please tell me which alphabet did they use? It makes sense btw. I mean, they lived in Asia Minor for a while. They were Christian (I assume). Wiki says only 120 words remained from that language, so I think it would be hard to find what's written on it. Yes I was referring to them but I am not serious on this. Just a guess.
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Post by meiji on Jul 12, 2013 23:29:58 GMT 3
Sorry for the late reply folks. . The letters are definitely not Hungarian/Szekely Runic. The Galatians and other Celts also did not use any runic alphabet as far as I know. Germanic runic was, as meiji said, mostly abandoned after the conversion to Christianity, just like how the usage of Turkic Runic and Uyghur alphabets declined after the Turks started becoming Muslim (though their usage continued for a while - it was not immediately abandoned upon conversion). One other option that comes to my mind is that that piece could be fake. As I said earlier, it could be fake. But I can't see what's the motive behind it. I remember a Haber7 news, it was about a Göktürk inscription founded in Turkey. It seems like it was fake to me. It could be that this coin was produced in 1930s to prove that there were Turks living in Anatolia before 1071 (you know, to prove that Eti Turks, Turkic-speaking Sumerians etc. are not conspiracy but the reality) But still, if they do such a thing, they would probably use the original Old Turkic Alphabet, not a replica of it. I tried to find about which scripts Gagauz and Bulgar used on net, but it is a pity that in Turkish there is not enough sources. I did talk with an antique-shop owner in Istanbul, he said that he doesn't know a d**n about this coin, but he offered me 500 TL. It is strange. If this coin is fake, I think I will sell it. Maybe that coin didnt produce in Anatolia and came from far lands with trade. Too much gaps in history to guess. Well, it is quite possible. I remember a Khazar coin founded in Sweden. And most surprisingly it was using Arabic script.
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Post by qaghan on Jul 13, 2013 16:29:30 GMT 3
Bu işlerden hiç anlamıyorum ama affınıza sığınarak soruyorum; tarihini anlamak için karbon testi yapılması gerekmiyor mu önce? (Hepimiz Türküz göründüğü kadarıyla )
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