Very useful link thank you. From your link, a few words wich is very interesting for me. Dumutur : the small child. Dömötör (male name in hungarian, also a name of a greek god demetrios, both are possibly related with this sumerian word)
The name of the Greek goddess is Dē-mētēr meaning "true mother" or "earth-mother". Then from it derives the masculine name Dēmētrios - "belonging to Dēmētēr". Thus the similarity to Sumerian word (which is diminutive from dumu - "son") is purely ostensible.
Sabar : bronze (Constantine byzantine emperor mentions the hungarians older name was sabartoi asphaloi, sabars as many other scythian tribes were very famous of their bronze working, it might need some research too)
I have noticed such similarity between Sumerian words for metals and the names of some Caucasian Hunnic tribes like Sabars and Barsils (identified sometimes as Magyars and Bulgars). However I doubt there is a relation - the time-span is too big and we still don't know if these reconstructions of Sumerian words are correct.
Sill, here are the words from John Halloran's Sumerian Lexicon:
?? Is this your private forum or what ? If you'd take your time to get into the topic deeper you would see there are connections, but you dont. You kill conversation instead of arguement, but you cant do that simply because your knowledge in it is nothing. Such an ignorance. Ban me, I dont give a nuts.
Is this a serious question ? What do you think how are the ancients exchanged words ? Not on the net.. Let me know of any language change in history without any genetical influence.
do you have english genes because you talk english here? i don't know, how DID you learn languages...probably by picking them up from your family, in school, or elsewhere...
all languages change overtime, it's a natural process, and it doesn't have anything to do with genetics. how do you explain that the Russian language has so many French words? or how does any non-english language nowadays have so many english loan words...
If you'd take your time to get into the topic deeper you would see there are connections, but you dont. You kill conversation instead of arguement, but you cant do that simply because your knowledge in it is nothing. Such an ignorance.
Even if there is a connection, people like you make it unbelievable and everyone sees it as unscientific stuff. People like you also give a very bad image of our forum.
The Sumerian grammars talk about the theoretical sounds of /b/ and /p/. These two sounds make up a phonemic pair, that is, they contrast to form words of different meanings. In English the difference in articulation between a /b/ and a /p/ is one of voice. A /b/ is voiced and a /p/ is voiceless. In Sumerian, it is believed that the difference was of aspiration, that both /b/ and /p/ were voiceless sounds with the difference being whether or not there was a puff of air.
Our ideas about how Sumerian sounded is filtered through Akkadian. Akkadian borrowed a lot of words from Sumerian and there was some borrowing into Sumerian of Akkadian. We can see that the Sumerian word for bronze "zabar" has a b while the Akkadian "siparru" has a p in its place. English speakers would probably have thought the same thing as the Akkadians, and thought they heard a /p/. There are some other words where Akkadian has a b and Sumerian has a p. It is this fact which lies behind the theory that Sumerian used aspiration instead of voice to differentiate these two sounds.
Post by hjernespiser on Jul 9, 2011 22:23:36 GMT 3
BTW, Tuvan uses aspiration for contrasting phonemic pairs too (but only in word-initial position and after m). It is reflected in the orthography. A doshpuluur is toshpuluur (no aspiration on the /t/). Unaspirated /t/ sounds like a /d/ to English ears. A b in Tuvan is an unaspirated /p/. You can sometimes see "bolur" spelled like "polur" in old Latin-based texts.
Does anyone know who the Türki people are? They had a leader called Ýlþunaiil. They were in Anatolia during the 2000BCs. I guess they were Indo-Europeans (maybe belonging to the Tur people Ferdowsi talked about that lived in Central Asia). What do you think? Could they have been related with Sumerians?
I remember I've read something about some people called "Turukku" in Anatolia mentioned in Assyrian cuneiform documents, but as far as I know apart from their name nothing more is known about them.
About the Turukku.
They are enemies of King Shamshi-Adad. They are mentioned in the Mari archive near Zagros Mountains. Most of the researchers say that, like all the civilized people, these should be Indo-Europeans. According to some, their name is Hurri and they are from Caucasus.
Some researchers do not agree that they are Indo-Europeans but belong to the group Turkic belongs to because their languages are agglutinative unlike Indo-European languages. These people lived between Caspian Sea and Mediterranean
They divided into two during the 1000BCs and half of them become the Urartu and the other half became the Mitanni.
According to some searchers, the surrealist art style of -for example Hakkari-Van rock pictures and those found in the Asian steppes is proof enough that Turkic people were already migrating to Anatolia during those times.
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